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Post by derbydummy on Nov 7, 2012 22:00:19 GMT -5
Bluecrew72 , Do you yourself run alcohol ?
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Post by bluecrew72 on Nov 7, 2012 22:00:24 GMT -5
^^^ true bluecrew but i have to say one thing a motor does not have to be built for alky or e85 you can run a stock motor on it and will not hurt it. however if you got a higher compression engine will benefit more from it than a stock motor will but tuning carb and timing is key when playing with alky or e85 Very true and I agree that it won't "hurt" the engine BUT a stock engine doesn't "need" it and you won't gain significant power advantages for money and time investment .... Yes you can time more to the extreme with it in a stock motor to take FULL advantage of its compression ratio pressure but it can be achieved with pump gas premium in a stock motor for the most part as well and be less fussy
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Post by bluecrew72 on Nov 7, 2012 22:20:46 GMT -5
I do not run it, I don't feel the need to spend the money I would rather put it in other areas... for the most part I run a stock motor with some gear, my experience with E85 and alcohol along with different octanes has come from lab testing and experimentation in college with compression ratio etc. also have tinkered with building a E85 specific motor for restored C-10. Am I an expert? By far not but have done some investigation.
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Post by cheater111 on Nov 7, 2012 22:43:02 GMT -5
In other words you can run race fuel e85 or alky on a stock motor it will help to a piont but not enough to really see a differance. now if you got a motor 10.5:1 or more with a bigger cam and what not it will benefit alot more and see and feel the changes you get from it not only running cooler but performance also. just do alot of research on what your wanting to run and see if it fits within you buget and derbies you run as far as heats and feature times and how many gallons your allowed to run. RESEARCH GOES ALONG WAYS
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 22:49:13 GMT -5
^^^^ then SAVE the money Why do most think they need to keep spending and spending What about the rear you wanted to build or the old iron you wish you could afford from down south, or the slider you've talked about wanting some day, just things you've said on other threads. All things far better to spend on IMO ... To each their own Well, I actually am "building" a rear. New axles and than some gears eventually. I'm building the slider myself during the spring/summer. Old iron, will find its way when I have ways to get more than 1 car at a time. All the stuff on this thread is good information. Itll be good to know all this if/when we actually run Alky. I want to someday, but you never know.
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Post by fordpower111 on Nov 7, 2012 22:55:01 GMT -5
There is alot of opinions on here, so here's mine. My brother and i which hints the we thing so you know who i am talking about when i say we. We run big block ford engines that are bone stock on 114 track tek fuel or turbo blue no mixing 50/50 running it straight, never understood the mixing thing, it lowers the octane rating of the race fuel. Also with race fuel your motor will run a little cooler. Any octane over a 100 in a stock motor is just wasting and yes stock motor will run better and run cooler at least it does in our motors. I am going to E-85 next year and like cheater 111 said, you can run E-85 on a stock motor but, you will benefit more with higher compression say 10.5 to 14 to 1 and higher with alcohol. I choose E-85 over alcohol because you can get it at the pump, which alcohol i think you have to buy it by the barrel i believe. i might wrong on that though, but never seen a pump for alky. You can use a holley red pump, but you have to use the blue or stainless steel lines and as for the carb you could buy a E-85 quick fuel or have your holley converted. RobmixE85.com does them you can send him your carb for $400 or he can build you a custom do it yourself kit for $300. Either way you do it i would take the whole car to somebody that knows what they are doing and let them tune it they are a pain in the butt if you don't know what you are doing. I am taking mine to a guy that worked for C&S for 25 years that did a buddy of mine's car this year he knows his stuff. My buddies car that i am talking about ran pretty much a whole feature, the second hit broke off the lower water neck on the rad and only got to 200 degrees and took third place. I would read up on it and run E-85 just my opinion!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 7:14:53 GMT -5
There is alot of opinions on here, so here's mine. My brother and i which hints the we thing so you know who i am talking about when i say we. We run big block ford engines that are bone stock on 114 track tek fuel or turbo blue no mixing 50/50 running it straight, never understood the mixing thing, it lowers the octane rating of the race fuel. Also with race fuel your motor will run a little cooler. Any octane over a 100 in a stock motor is just wasting and yes stock motor will run better and run cooler at least it does in our motors. I am going to E-85 next year and like cheater 111 said, you can run E-85 on a stock motor but, you will benefit more with higher compression say 10.5 to 14 to 1 and higher with alcohol. I choose E-85 over alcohol because you can get it at the pump, which alcohol i think you have to buy it by the barrel i believe. i might wrong on that though, but never seen a pump for alky. You can use a holley red pump, but you have to use the blue or stainless steel lines and as for the carb you could buy a E-85 quick fuel or have your holley converted. RobmixE85.com does them you can send him your carb for $400 or he can build you a custom do it yourself kit for $300. Either way you do it i would take the whole car to somebody that knows what they are doing and let them tune it they are a pain in the butt if you don't know what you are doing. I am taking mine to a guy that worked for C&S for 25 years that did a buddy of mine's car this year he knows his stuff. My buddies car that i am talking about ran pretty much a whole feature, the second hit broke off the lower water neck on the rad and only got to 200 degrees and took third place. I would read up on it and run E-85 just my opinion! Okay, I'll check him out. It's $400 for him to set up a E85 carb?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 7:20:54 GMT -5
Okay, a while back I think it was on proboards, before it went to the "new and improved We-Crash" they had a thread about a cool running temp gas mixture. I believe it was Nitromethane mixed with lantern fuel and windshield washing fluid. Is that a true mixture? Or would that ruin the engine?
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Post by Reed735 on Nov 8, 2012 8:09:52 GMT -5
I don't know about the nitromethane part but latern fuel is basically kerosene which is close to diesel and windshield washing fluid has methanol in it so I could see mixing it right you could run your motor on it. Would I ever try it no because I donot know what the mixiture would be. but I could see it being possible. Some people put a methanol injection on there cars/trucks and you can fun washer fluid in it. Maybe the nitromethane is to thin it out and make it more combustible so you can run it in a gas motor.
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Post by derbydummy on Nov 8, 2012 11:21:53 GMT -5
Okay, a while back I think it was on proboards, before it went to the "new and improved We-Crash" they had a thread about a cool running temp gas mixture. I believe it was Nitromethane mixed with lantern fuel and windshield washing fluid. Is that a true mixture? Or would that ruin the engine? Yea , I sometimes run a teaspoon of nitroglycerin to every quart of horse piss... Then mix that with 3 quarts of 93 octane pump gas , then a pint of lacquer thinner , 2 1/2 cans of aqua net hair spray ( the same sh!t I fire my tater gun with ) , a pound of gun powder and a pinch of Cinnamon ( just for the smell ) ... It sometimes clogs in a fuel filter ... so dont use one of those !!!
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Post by bluecrew72 on Nov 8, 2012 11:37:23 GMT -5
Okay, a while back I think it was on proboards, before it went to the "new and improved We-Crash" they had a thread about a cool running temp gas mixture. I believe it was Nitromethane mixed with lantern fuel and windshield washing fluid. Is that a true mixture? Or would that ruin the engine? Speechless
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Post by Reed735 on Nov 8, 2012 11:54:59 GMT -5
can I subsitute cow piss for the horse piss and add blue berries insted of cinnamon(not a huge cinnamon fan)
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Post by disturbed01 on Nov 8, 2012 11:55:58 GMT -5
i run a 50/50 mix of home heating oil and carb cleaner works great and i never have to clean my carb its a win win
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Post by derbydummy on Nov 8, 2012 12:43:36 GMT -5
If you add blueberries , make sure you dont let your fuel set too long... It may ferment and turn to alcohol ... And lordy we dont want that dangerous stuff burning in our derby cars.. ;D Never tried cow piss though... Id mix it 50/50 with horse piss , and try that first !!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 12:43:44 GMT -5
I don't know about the nitromethane part but latern fuel is basically kerosene which is close to diesel and windshield washing fluid has methanol in it so I could see mixing it right you could run your motor on it. Would I ever try it no because I donot know what the mixiture would be. but I could see it being possible. Some people put a methanol injection on there cars/trucks and you can fun washer fluid in it. Maybe the nitromethane is to thin it out and make it more combustible so you can run it in a gas motor. Thanks for actually making a reasonable response. I know for a fact I read it on a derby site, and I just wanted to touch on that to see if it actually worked. But when I read it I wondered about how you could run an engine on latern fuel and washer fluid. I guess if you had enough engines, and enough time to try it, you could. I'd assume it'd just be a 50/50 mix, but you never know.
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