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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 20:05:06 GMT -5
members.tccoa.com/392bird/carbtech.htm Here is a site I found but I've never swapped a carb to e85 I'm sure it's like alcohol if you don't know what your doing buy a carb already set up or have someone that knows what there doing do it . I'm not saying jets or anything is like alcohol I'm just using it as a reference to if you don't have the knowledge don't do it your self. There are some savages on here so that is my disclaimer Okay, thanks I'll check it out. You will need a carb set up to run E85 , just like ethanol or methanol.. Quickfuel sells a nice one. I run a C&S methanol carb , but when I switched to E85 I did have to make some jet changes.. C&S carbs are top dollar though... I got mine from a dirt track racer that only used it for one dyno run. It's a 500 2 barrel and turned 535 hp on the dyno.. I have a quickfuel too, but by far the C&S out performs it. And I'm trying to get the set up as cheap as possible. But I guess if it's the best on the market, it's probably worth what they're asking.
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Post by Punisher 66J on Nov 7, 2012 20:12:06 GMT -5
Pump gas, usually 91 octane.
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Post by Reed735 on Nov 7, 2012 20:14:37 GMT -5
If your starting from scratch ill guess you'll have 1000 just in you fuel system I'm not sure if you need to run certain types of fuel lines with e85 like you should with methanol I'm kinda curious about that myself
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 20:44:40 GMT -5
$1,000 just in the system?
I'm sticking with pump gas for a while before that happens..
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Post by Reed735 on Nov 7, 2012 20:58:19 GMT -5
If you shop around and wait till you find deals then you can do it cheaper but that's my guess on your cost
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Post by bluecrew72 on Nov 7, 2012 20:58:28 GMT -5
Airplane fuel is a "dry" fuel. You better run additives in it or you will have valve problems. As far as octane, ALL motors run BETTER on higher octane. Stock or built engines like octane. I ran 50/50 mix of 110 and 93, I also ran straight Turbo Blue. Engines start better, perform better, and yes it does smell cool. But, in the end one more start could gain you the win. I will spend the extra $25-$30 it takes to run the race fuel to better my odds. We already spend way to much on are cars anyway. BUT, if I was going to spend more money on anything it would be a GOOD ignition system. Second to performance heads that is the best bang for the buck. All motors DO NOT run better on higher octane fuels... You only need as much octane as it takes to safely prevent detonation.. Just because someone is running alcohol , it does NOT mean they are going to use 50% more fuel. And to whomever stated that alcohol is being banned because of safety issues , that statement is just plain false.. Safety issues is exactly why Indy cars are mandated to run alcohol.. Alcohol is very much safer than high octane race fuels.. It burns slower , and with the additives that are usually added ( or you can add yourself ) it burns with a yellow tip flame.. When race fuel explodes , it does so with a much more violent explosion than alcohol .. Please , please get your facts straight before posting fairy tales .. And what ever the case , airplane fuel is the worst thing you could run.. Airplane fuel is formulated to reduce weight ... Fuel has a heavy end , and a light end .. In airplane fuel , the heavy end is practically eliminated.. Which makes the fuel lighter , so its easier for planes to get off the ground and reduce weight.. With that said , you can think of the heavy end like an oak log , and the light end as a sheet of newspaper... So airplane engines are designed to burn airplane fuel at the light end and the higher altitudes.. A SBC , SBF, or mopar does not run efficiently on airplane fuel.. But what do I know .. Iam just the derbydummy.. Check to see if my comment isn't fact before you express opinions though.. There is some good info here but some things I will disagree with, everyone has right to there own thoughts There is a pretty good chance that it will burn 50% more (1.5 times normal) not a full 100% (2 times as much) more that's a fact Yes IF additives added it makes the flame have a yellow TIP still hard to see bottom line. At the end of the day, if the motor is not built for ally OR E85 you are not taking advantage of the fuel for its power. In short compression ratio is highly related to power, compression ration is related to cylinder gas temps and THAT is what is going to dictate the fuel you NEED More octane doesn't = more power Octane = how hot can I get the cylinder before it detonates, using e85 or alky makes that achievable easier and cheaper than using high octane race fuel with the added advantage of cooler intake temp. Money can be far better spent for beginners in other areas than this especially if the engine ISN'T BUILT FOR IT bottom line
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Post by Reed735 on Nov 7, 2012 21:00:55 GMT -5
^^^^ agree 100%
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 21:01:13 GMT -5
If you shop around and wait till you find deals then you can do it cheaper but that's my guess on your cost I'm gonna hold off on that part for a while.. And bluecrew, yes, I'd rather spend that money else where on the car, but I really don't have to buy anything except a trans brace, and a lower SBM cradle. I'm fabbing up my own DP, rear-end brace, tank protector and cage, shifter, battery box. Doesn't matter, I got what I needed and all I know is pump gas will be ran for at least the next 4 or 5 years.
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Post by Reed735 on Nov 7, 2012 21:04:05 GMT -5
If you want to start getting in to different fuels than build the motor at your own pace so you don't have to dump all the cash at once imo
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 21:05:30 GMT -5
If you want to start getting in to different fuels than build the motor at your own pace so you don't have to dump all the cash at once imo That's a pretty good idea. Gradually get more and more done. I'd want a 360 for that though, not a 318.
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Post by bluecrew72 on Nov 7, 2012 21:09:33 GMT -5
^^^^ then SAVE the money
Why do most think they need to keep spending and spending
What about the rear you wanted to build or the old iron you wish you could afford from down south, or the slider you've talked about wanting some day, just things you've said on other threads. All things far better to spend on IMO ... To each their own
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Post by cheater111 on Nov 7, 2012 21:30:06 GMT -5
^^^ true bluecrew but i have to say one thing a motor does not have to be built for alky or e85 you can run a stock motor on it and will not hurt it. however if you got a higher compression engine will benefit more from it than a stock motor will but tuning carb and timing is key when playing with alky or e85
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Post by derbydummy on Nov 7, 2012 21:49:41 GMT -5
[Octane = how hot can I get the cylinder before it detonates, using e85 or alky makes that achievable easier and cheaper than using high octane race fuel with the added advantage of cooler intake temp. Are you stating that using E85 or alcohol , that detonation is achieved easier than using race fuel ?
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Post by bluecrew72 on Nov 7, 2012 21:56:17 GMT -5
No not at all read again please read again ... How hot can I get the cylinder before it detonates.... Then simple that this can be done using e85 or alky easier than race fuel ... do to the octane equivalent of each
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Post by derbydummy on Nov 7, 2012 21:58:50 GMT -5
Ok , because thats not exactly how it reads from the other post .. Just checking .
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