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Post by blackmopar21 on Apr 10, 2013 10:09:59 GMT -5
no notching, dimpling,tucking all with proper allthread placement and trunk shaping,and thick springs.
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Post by mopar17 on Apr 10, 2013 11:04:04 GMT -5
Also contrary to what you hear, you want a good ass end on a mopar DO NOT TAKE THE BACK BUMPER OFF! I'd say that's a matter of opinion. I've done it both ways and have had good luck.
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Post by blackmopar21 on Apr 10, 2013 16:32:18 GMT -5
In my eyes leaving the bumper off just allows the the rails to roll up into a big ball of BS. When you purposely want the assend to ball up, instead of be strong like they can be and beat with the body of a car instead of the frame rails has always been hard to fathom. To each their own.
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Post by dm440c on Apr 12, 2013 12:48:23 GMT -5
I think it's great that you want to help people on here but here's the problem with making such a strong statement: you're assuming everyone out there has the exact same conditions you do. "Proper allthread placement, body shaping, and thick springs" was cited as the keys to building them your way but there are a buttload of shows out there that do not allow allthread, do not allow prebending, and do not allow altered spring packs... or some combination of those... or some combination of do's and don'ts that are different from your own do's and don'ts.
After discovering Wecrash years ago and learning the hard way that I had to be careful how I interpreted the advice that people posted on here, I realized that if you really want to help people with advice, you can show and explain how you build your cars and then explain your theories about why the specific things that you have done work under the conditions you have to work with. Then the intelligently curious derby builder can consider the ways that your conditions may or may not apply to his conditions and try to adopt the helpful things from your experience.
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Post by mopar17 on Apr 12, 2013 16:20:37 GMT -5
I think it's great that you want to help people on here but here's the problem with making such a strong statement: you're assuming everyone out there has the exact same conditions you do. "Proper allthread placement, body shaping, and thick springs" was cited as the keys to building them your way but there are a buttload of shows out there that do not allow allthread, do not allow prebending, and do not allow altered spring packs... or some combination of those... or some combination of do's and don'ts that are different from your own do's and don'ts. After discovering Wecrash years ago and learning the hard way that I had to be careful how I interpreted the advice that people posted on here, I realized that if you really want to help people with advice, you can show and explain how you build your cars and then explain your theories about why the specific things that you have done work under the conditions you have to work with. Then the intelligently curious derby builder can consider the ways that your conditions may or may not apply to his conditions and try to adopt the helpful things from your experience. Glad you had the patience to explain it!
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Post by noser23x on Apr 12, 2013 16:57:36 GMT -5
seamed to work good for the second year now going on third... Yeah, this was tucked, single notched, with the fenders hammered in and then the rear ones rolled excess fender wells folded over slightly. It is a nice tight pack, I'll see if I could find any other pictures.
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Post by blackmopar21 on Apr 12, 2013 19:25:24 GMT -5
That's the problem with wecrash.....Everyone wants hand outs on how to build the ultimate car. I don't mind helping not never have for the past 10 years but I won't tell someone how to do it, especially for the whole world to see.
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Post by seven1seven on Apr 12, 2013 20:48:32 GMT -5
dm440c and blackmopar21 both have great points... there is a way to build to each and every set of rules, certain ways things work for one guy but dont seem to work for the next guy that THOUGHT he did the exact same thing, when in turn there were little details that were left out (maybe not intentionally) that were the key to how it worked for the first guy... fact of this all is a Mopar can be hard in the trunk area and very few people have had the luxury of getting it right the first time... so many times I have tried new things only to find out that it was the total wrong thing to try, or many times it has worked great! To each there own but trial and error is the key....
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Post by noser23x on Apr 13, 2013 0:37:49 GMT -5
No doubt about trial and error, but some may not have the luxury to have money to spend on trial and error, if you will be decent to me I will return the favor, and I would much rather see a car go well for someone in the back then see a rust free shocker go sky high in the back. To each their own though.
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Post by seven1seven on Apr 13, 2013 9:01:43 GMT -5
I agree and have stated many times if someone has a question I will kindly help with what I know has worked for me and urge that person to do things their own way with a few tricks from others.. If I had the time and money I would have another shocker build going and would post pics of it from the begining to the end to give some insight as to what I do and let people make the decision as to what to do from what they see... I will not get on the thread and tell what I know, tricks I do, or things that have majorly helped. This is not because I dont want to help but there are alot of local guys to me that I wont disclose info for, just because I dont want to compete against my own tricks unless I was paid to build it lol I have over twenty pms from guys that I have helped to the best of my capabilities recently... I will say it again... I have had good luck with what I do within the rule sets that I have built to... I am by no means a pro nor the best around but have done my fair share and am willing to help if I can there are many guys that just dont take the time on the back of a mopar because mopars have gained the reputation of being strictly a noser car.. When in turn they absolutely can have both ends be tough. Yes the main end is the front but why not take the time on the back so it can take and dish out the abuse right along with the newer fomoco products, mid 70s gms and fords??? yeah they arent a roundback wagon but dont forget what the business end of a FULL FRAME IMP IS
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Post by dm440c on Apr 16, 2013 12:16:42 GMT -5
^^^ agree with all of that. It is definitely possible to make a strong trunk on a Mopar and that's what this thread is about. I don't see the need to spoon feed anybody either, I had to learn an awful lot of things the hard way through trial and error before the internet and don't see the need to give everyone a free ride. For that reason I spend a lot of time on here giving my opinion about things like engine and transmission setups, occasionally about body and frame prep but not a whole lot. People can either explain what they do in order to help others or just decide to keep it to themselves, that's totally their prerogative.
Misinformation, whether it is intentional or accidental, is not helpful.
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Post by purplerambler69 on Apr 29, 2013 20:09:41 GMT -5
Does anyone have a picture of how they ran their chain from the rear axle over the hump? I've read how its done but want to make sure I got it right. do you wrap the chain straight down from the hump to the axle or outward around the leaf spring pack and axle together? Also, do you make the hole for the chain directly above the axle or to the front or rear of it? thank you all for your help!
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Post by 731redneck on Apr 29, 2013 21:31:16 GMT -5
ok how about the trunks on the hammer heads anyone got any pics of them or know how to tuffin them up some
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Post by XtremeMopar#307 on Apr 29, 2013 22:15:58 GMT -5
Does anyone have a picture of how they ran their chain from the rear axle over the hump? I've read how its done but want to make sure I got it right. do you wrap the chain straight down from the hump to the axle or outward around the leaf spring pack and axle together? Also, do you make the hole for the chain directly above the axle or to the front or rear of it? thank you all for your help! this is how I do mine and has worked good so far for me... but i know some ppl do go around the leafs too
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Post by purplerambler69 on May 1, 2013 6:59:48 GMT -5
thanks Xtreme, that's what I was looking for.
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