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Post by gmwagon on May 8, 2017 22:01:18 GMT -5
1:50 in on 2nd heat of Metal Mayhem heat 2 last year. www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_nEshg_Rjw#23 Runs over bumper, thinks he lost the drive shaft I bet, then try's to restick. Flagman says no way. 1 min into it the other cars pushed him off the bumper. It's another example of never break your stick. Now he moved to consi and won that, but I don't think they odds favor the consi majority of the time. Plus, promoters sometimes change the rules mid stream so it probably isn't worth the chance. Unless someone's barreling at you and tracking you, keep the stick on until someone tells you it's over. driveshaft was hitting floor thought official was telling him drive shaft was broke and to break off but it might have been better for him
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Post by taterjuice on May 9, 2017 14:22:38 GMT -5
I know this guy who derbies against us, he will take a fresh car to a derby make a hit and stop his car and the reason he does it, is our rules allow us to put on so many repair plates to the frame if the car is pre run. the frame doesnt have to be bent it just has to be pre run, so a fresh car with 1 or 2 hits in the rear throws on 4 per side of each side and runs it again at a show with fresh cars now you've got the upper hand. we got more then a few of "that guy"s in my area.
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Post by ADDICTEDtoIMPACT on May 9, 2017 22:03:43 GMT -5
Maybe they want a courtside seat to watch the show
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Post by stellis124 on May 10, 2017 12:56:32 GMT -5
I know this guy who derbies against us, he will take a fresh car to a derby make a hit and stop his car and the reason he does it, is our rules allow us to put on so many repair plates to the frame if the car is pre run. the frame doesnt have to be bent it just has to be pre run, so a fresh car with 1 or 2 hits in the rear throws on 4 per side of each side and runs it again at a show with fresh cars now you've got the upper hand. Why not just take it out back and run into another derby car or tree then? cause then there is no questions asked when the promoters tech guys asked where did you run it, and guys like man i was at such n such you teched me thru.
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Post by taterjuice on May 12, 2017 12:03:37 GMT -5
A wise man knows when to break his stick. I never break mine until the officials make me. I never claimed to be wise. Urbana OH in Champaign Co. RUFF DEMO Prodmotions (rules varied by buddiness. Mini cars 103in W/B 4/6cyl engines. I end up breaking my stick running 5th in a 4cyl Chevette when I realize the other 4 are sbc V-8 powered AMC Spirits/Eagles. A Spork at a Tank fight. FTS 103" wheel base ? You're saying they allow v-8 swaps but not a w body ?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 12:55:05 GMT -5
A wise man knows when to break his stick. I never break mine until the officials make me. I never claimed to be wise. Urbana OH in Champaign Co. RUFF DEMO Prodmotions (rules varied by buddiness. Mini cars 103in W/B 4/6cyl engines. I end up breaking my stick running 5th in a 4cyl Chevette when I realize the other 4 are sbc V-8 powered AMC Spirits/Eagles. A Spork at a Tank fight. FTS I can deal with garbage rules as long as they're enforced equally. Watched a mustang I built get 2nd in a under 106" class to a W-body. We filed a protest afterward and promoter treated us like we were in the wrong for protesting. Will never understand, what's the point of having rules if you don't enforce them?
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Post by smashbob12 on May 13, 2017 10:06:27 GMT -5
Urbana OH in Champaign Co. RUFF DEMO Prodmotions (rules varied by buddiness. Mini cars 103in W/B 4/6cyl engines. I end up breaking my stick running 5th in a 4cyl Chevette when I realize the other 4 are sbc V-8 powered AMC Spirits/Eagles. A Spork at a Tank fight. FTS 103" wheel base ? You're saying they allow v-8 swaps but not a w body ? The rules said ,Mini cars 103w/b and 4 & 6 cyl only. they told a 104in w/b car with a 4cyl for mini class he would have to run with the full size cars !! V-8 swaps not allowed in the rule but if it show's up he'd let you run it. but wouldn't allow a car with 1-INCH more in the w/b to run , said it was a FULL SIZE . Run it with the big cars.
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Post by STROMI 121 on May 13, 2017 11:10:31 GMT -5
That sounds pretty ruff.
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Post by taterjuice on May 14, 2017 1:40:56 GMT -5
103" wheel base ? You're saying they allow v-8 swaps but not a w body ? The rules said ,Mini cars 103w/b and 4 & 6 cyl only. they told a 104in w/b car with a 4cyl for mini class he would have to run with the full size cars !! V-8 swaps not allowed in the rule but if it show's up he'd let you run it. but wouldn't allow a car with 1-INCH more in the w/b to run , said it was a FULL SIZE . Run it with the big cars. car counts gotta suck with that short of wheel bases. Sounds like someone is good friends with the promoter who has a stash of rwd amcs. Personally I wouldn't mind seeing a 114" wheel base rule. Would let in more crap cars like the h body, and undoubtably help the count a bunch.
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Post by nanzpower on May 14, 2017 4:15:50 GMT -5
Use to have mini compact around here. 104 or 106 n smaller fwd. Can't remember cause it only lasted a yr or two. Had 5 10 car turnouts. Normally 4 to 5 of the cars were a team. Plus had mid sz (108) and compact (fwd n rwd 108) in same shows. Classes in that promotion are jacked up. 10 to 12 classes a show. Mega stock mid sz, mighty mid sz, mega stock full sz, mighty full sz, semi stock full sz, mega stock truck, mighty truck, semi stock truck, mega stock mini, mighty mini, pro compact and outlaw. Plus occasional powderfull truck or mighty full sz, once a yr super stock imperial, and 3 or 4 mega stock mid sz 18 n younger.
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Post by taterjuice on May 14, 2017 9:52:04 GMT -5
car counts gotta suck with that short of wheel bases. Sounds like someone is good friends with the promoter who has a stash of rwd amcs. Personally I wouldn't mind seeing a 114" wheel base rule. Would let in more crap cars like the h body, and undoubtably help the count a bunch. You know up until about 5-7 years ago a lot of places had wheelbase restrictions of 103-104" for their COMPACT class, because people used to run COMPACT cars in the COMPACT class. There are a ton of cars under 104"....corolla, escort, civic, neon, cavalier, mustangs, chevette, pinto, focus, corsica, avenger, tempo, old accords, camry,...(to name a few) Then with the popularity of w-bodies most places have switched to 108-109"+. 108"+ car is not a compact car, and if you want to go to 114" I'll probably build an 80s Crown Vic.... Well if they had a unibody crown Vic I wouldn't mind seeing that. And yeah 108" a compact car, like it or not that's the way it is. Sorry for triggering you snowflake, but your welcome to build as many neons and other crap cars you want, and maybe if those extra 4-5" don't scare you too bad, even run against 108" cars. So tired of crybabies and this whole "that's not a real compact" rant. Dude like it or not, but for the majority of the country, 104" is dead, so is 105", 106", and 107". And honestly I'll believe it won't be long and many shows will head towards 110" or 112.
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Post by STROMI 121 on May 14, 2017 11:18:18 GMT -5
Our compact rules around here are 104 front wheel drive and I like it. No minitanks allowed.I can win/compete with a three day build. If Im gonna build a car, Im building a fullsize. Build rules and styles vary greatly across the country.
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Post by taterjuice on May 14, 2017 12:07:59 GMT -5
The definition of midsize and compact has, and always will change. Back in the 70's a full frame Buick century with a wheel base much over 108" was considered a "mid-size." The whole debate over wheel base really boils down to ppl wanting to elimante certain cars from showing up. Anyways, we're def hijacking this thread at this point, let's start a new thread in the general section and continue this debate...
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 12:15:40 GMT -5
There's a local show that's 114" any unibody, I've been looking for a 2 door Diplomat, Volare, or Thunderbird to run there. I couldn't imagine running something like a Chevette against a Diplomat or Thunderbird.
If the car count will support it, I personally favor a of a 105.5" compact class and a 106-114 (no 50s-60s thunderbird) midsize unibody class.
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Post by smashbob12 on May 14, 2017 18:23:57 GMT -5
The rules said ,Mini cars 103w/b and 4 & 6 cyl only. they told a 104in w/b car with a 4cyl for mini class he would have to run with the full size cars !! V-8 swaps not allowed in the rule but if it show's up he'd let you run it. but wouldn't allow a car with 1-INCH more in the w/b to run , said it was a FULL SIZE . Run it with the big cars. car counts gotta suck with that short of wheel bases. Sounds like someone is good friends with the promoter who has a stash of rwd amcs. Personally I wouldn't mind seeing a 114" wheel base rule. Would let in more crap cars like the h body, and undoubtably help the count a bunch. When I first started mini's in 97' all counties around us except Urbana Ohio had 104in 4cyl rule. Car counts were always upwards of 20-30 cars. rules were pretty much strip,weld or wire doors, wire only on trunks & hood. light weld on bumper shock.allowed 1 dash and bar behind seat. build a car in a day.
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