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Post by STROMI 121 on Oct 20, 2017 17:34:01 GMT -5
Maybe it was pinning, plating, and painting?
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Post by dean88 on Oct 20, 2017 17:34:38 GMT -5
I was always told it was 7 Ps
Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance
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Post by STROMI 121 on Oct 20, 2017 17:38:59 GMT -5
How many and which "P"s is usually determined by the number of Pabst.
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Post by fallinskiestwice on Oct 20, 2017 17:50:26 GMT -5
None. That shit's gross
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Post by barn78 on Oct 20, 2017 21:37:20 GMT -5
Stromi,
Growing up in northeastern Ohio with Jeff Brown's outlaw derbies followed by smash it, leaf conversions are the way to go. I have leafed every GM from 71-76 except for caddies, so I am no expert on those, but others I would say I am pretty close 😄.
Anyways, I would leaf it. Mount your front spring pocket where the front control arm mount is on the inside of the frame. I used c-channel for this mount.
On the rear mount even though it is a working shackle, mount it just in front of the bumper mount directly under the frame.
Mounting the leaf this way provides a very small "x" between the spring and frame. Then suck it down with the all thread until the leaf pack is flat.
This provides the hardest backend of any car IMO.
The picture in my signature is of a mid 90's caprice that this was done to for a smashit show. The pic is after two nights tangling with junebug and ziz through heats and features.
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Post by CHUNKY MONKEY 13 on Oct 21, 2017 6:40:20 GMT -5
And on the other side of the state I also grew up watching Jeff Brown derbies, 2/3rd of the feature was metric/leaf converted cars. Somthin about watching a metric wagon eat up a roundy is satisfying as hell.
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Post by smashincwa on Oct 22, 2017 21:05:50 GMT -5
Somthin about watching a metric wagon eat up a roundy is satisfying as hell. This is true. Stromi, I think you need to consider what's taken you out at Bash over the past 4 years. If it's because you've ran out of car, I'd be contemplating the leaf conversion. I can't think of a leaf coiled converted car that wasn't stronger with leafs- even those crappy GM metrics- it gave new life to the 80 and newer cars so that they could now compete! |
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Post by dirtydeeds on Oct 26, 2017 21:53:42 GMT -5
Honestly you really only need a 4 speed. Just think about it before you react. And hump plates all day.
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Post by JoJo Davis on Oct 27, 2017 9:52:57 GMT -5
Well I will take over this question as I think it will apply to me as well this year for the bash. I ran a 73 caddy last year at bash and another local show afterward and the back of it is still straight. Only bend it has is at the base of the drivers side hump where it started to shove forward and up a slight bit. Now there was a ton of work done in the back of mine last year to achieve these results and Stromi was going to mirror image it this year or I would not have taken him to a honey hole to get the frame or the parts he needed...lol Anyways, I think a set of olds 98 brackets all the way down the side of the frame with the rear most leaf mount right behind the bracket is what I want to do. I think the longer the leaf, the easier it will be to get it flat and the harder it will be o bend the eye or the main leaf for that matter. First two clamps tucked all the way at the rear of the leaf pack then suck it tight. My worry is not it folding up, my worry is the weak asss hump giving and bending the main or eye. What is your opinion? Shorter will have more of an arch in my opinion but you have more leverage behind the rear mount to do crazy bending and start messing with the geometry. Also, how does frame swaying hurt a leaf converted car? Sometimes on these caddies if you go overboard with the creasing the rails will sway on you in the back. Still trying to decide on this too.
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Post by mn13 on Oct 27, 2017 12:25:19 GMT -5
I dont have any useful information but what do they mean by a "1 stair step"?
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Post by STROMI 121 on Oct 27, 2017 14:49:27 GMT -5
The next leaf has to be one inch shorter than the last one. Otherwise everyone would make them all the same length as the main spring.
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Post by cheezwhiz31 on Oct 27, 2017 15:25:52 GMT -5
I leafed 2 cars this year and we broke the mains on all of them. I think the solid shackle had part of the problem cause or the caddy tagging off on it. lol. i got it to roll once and then the frame must of tried to push forward hard enough it snapped the mains right off. the everything went to hell. It was on a 80 caddy and 90s bubble gm wagon.
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Post by smashincwa on Oct 27, 2017 17:22:05 GMT -5
Well I will take over this question as I think it will apply to me as well this year for the bash. I ran a 73 caddy last year at bash and another local show afterward and the back of it is still straight. Only bend it has is at the base of the drivers side hump where it started to shove forward and up a slight bit. Now there was a ton of work done in the back of mine last year to achieve these results and Stromi was going to mirror image it this year or I would not have taken him to a honey hole to get the frame or the parts he needed...lol Anyways, I think a set of olds 98 brackets all the way down the side of the frame with the rear most leaf mount right behind the bracket is what I want to do. I think the longer the leaf, the easier it will be to get it flat and the harder it will be o bend the eye or the main leaf for that matter. First two clamps tucked all the way at the rear of the leaf pack then suck it tight. My worry is not it folding up, my worry is the weak asss hump giving and bending the main or eye. What is your opinion? Shorter will have more of an arch in my opinion but you have more leverage behind the rear mount to do crazy bending and start messing with the geometry. Also, how does frame swaying hurt a leaf converted car? Sometimes on these caddies if you go overboard with the creasing the rails will sway on you in the back. Still trying to decide on this too. keep the rear squatted down below frame to frame hits and you can't have a bent shackle or eye. Most problems happen when the rear is up too high. |
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Post by Killerclown123 on Dec 31, 2017 19:15:04 GMT -5
Well, I feel like a ____. Stomi needed some advice and I missed it. So, sorry about late post, but even if you finished the build on the rear with humpates and coils you'd want to undo it all for leafs. I leafed over 3 73 caddies. Best damn thing you can do the backend of that car. First 2 the suspension had to "work" with 5 5/16ths leafs. Last one flat stacked welded solid. I mounted the bumper even frame with shocks welded solid to the frame and kept the height on the higher side. Trunks were only chained shut and no rear window bar. Solid and I mean solid. Make sure the seat bar is far away from back of seat or your back will get messed up. Big problem with leafed over gms when they go under the frame is tire clearance with stock rims. Which can be fixed. I seen other years done and turned out really well. It's all how you mount the leafs. Destroyed a lot cars just with backend of these cars, so if you can leaf it there's no other way.
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