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Post by cthompson11 on Aug 30, 2017 14:31:03 GMT -5
Fall Slam @ Clinton County Fairgrounds (Frankfort Indiana) will be held NOVEMBER 4TH. Derby starts @ 6pm. Inspection @ start at 1pm. MUST BE INSPECTED AND STICKED 20 MINS BEFORE DERBY START TIME.
40.00 PER CAR 20.00 PER PIT-PASS 8.00 GRANDSTANDS KIDS 5 AND UNDER ARE FREE
GAURENTEED PAYOUTS.
LIMITED WELD. WIRE CLASS. MINIS 2000. 1200. 1000 1000. 500. 500 500. 300 300 300. 200 100. 100
RULES ARE POSTED ON THIS PAGE AND @ FMSWCOACH.WIXSITE.COM/HAMMERINCPROMOTIONS
READ THEM THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE CHANGES
FOR MORE INFO CONTACT CHASE THOMPSON 765-242-4358
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Post by cthompson11 on Aug 30, 2017 14:31:32 GMT -5
Updated limited weld rules.
Limited Weld Rules
No trucks, vans, ambulances, jeeps, carry-alls, limousines, 4-wheel drives, hearses. No Chrysler Imperials or bodies on imperial frames. 74 Imperials and newer are ok. Absolutely no: radiator guards (other than stock A.C. condenser) or tranny protectors.
Frames:
1. No, pinning, filling, stuffing or painting. 1a. You may seam weld the top seam only from the front most mount of the a-arm to the bumper. You also may use 1 piece per frame rail of 2x4x1/4 strap to help aid in mounting your bumpers. 2. Rust holes may be covered with a 4 x 6 x ¼ inch plate. They will count towards your 6 allowed plates. 3. Pre-rans will be allowed 6 plates – 4 x 6 x ¼ inch max. Fresh cars may have 2 4x6x1/4 plates. 4. No frame shaping other than 12 inches in the center of each hump. 5.. You may tilt at the crush boxes or at the cross-member. If you choose one of these methods you may only have a max of 4 4x6x1/4 plates. If you choose to cold bend to till you may have 2 4x6xplates on a fresh car or 6 total 4x6x1/4 plates on a pre ran. 6. You may #9 wire or chain the frame rails together behind the humps. No homemade washers. 7. Frames can only be shortened to the front most weld of the core support mount. 8. On uni-body cars (i.e. Suicide Lincolns, Cordobas….) you must have a ¾ hole drilled in frame in front and behind the a-arms on both sides. You may weld a ¾ hardware washer around the drill hole. 9. All frames will be scoped, and may be drill if something is in question.
Suspension: 1. Steering box swaps allowed. No welding on frame, keep mounts minimal. 2. Tie rods can aftermarket. 3. A-arms and spindles may be changed, but must stay Ford to Ford or GM to GM. No homemade or aftermarket parts with the exception of 98 and newer Ford cars may do the Watts Link conversion with ZTR style brackets. No additional metal may be added other than the brackets themselves. 4. Aftermarket steering shafts allowed. 5. A-arms may be bolted down with one 3/4 inch bolt per a-arm. No homemade washers. If you are running wishbone styles a-arms you may weld ONE piece of 2inch wide X 4 inches long x 1/8 inch thick piece of strap from a-arm to frame per of frame rail. This strap may not be welded more then 2" on to the frame.
5a.-Rear trail arms can be shortened or lengthened. Single hardware washers may be welded around the rear hole of the upper trail arms. 6. Rearend may be chained or wired around the frame in one spot per side. 7. Factory size, number and stagger will apply to factory leaf spring cars. 5 clamps per side, 2 3/8 inch bolts per clamp. Clamps no wider than 2 inches. No welding of leafs.
8. You may use ALL-THREAD as rear shocks. All-thread Shocks may not be attched to the frame in any way
Body Mounts : 1. Core support mounts may be replaced with up to 1 inch all-thread and ran through the hood. May be bolted solid or you may use a free-floating spacer. Spacers not to exceed 2x2 inch tubing. 2. 4 rear body mounts can be bolted solid. 2 of those may have ¾ inch all-thread ran vertically through the trunk lid. Wagons may go through the roof or pillars, but if you do that don’t use 2 pieces to hold the tailgate shut. 3. Core support and trunk washers may not exceed 4x4 inches. 4. Mopars can either go through the frame or be welded to the side. Must be on the flat part of the rear frame under the trunk pan. 5. No double nutting or sleeving the all-thread. 6. Body mounts from firewall to the humps may be changed. Only in factory locations. Only allowable substitution is to use a bolt no bigger than 3/4 inch. Must have rubber bushing with steel sleeve or you may use a hockey puck. Hardware washers only on the mounts from firewall to humps. Do Not weld anything to body or frame.
Drivetrain: 1. Any motor or transmission in any vehicle. 2. You may run a distributor protector, however if you choose to do so you must remove all cowl and firewall metal the width of the protector. Your distributor protector CANNOT connect the dash bar. 3. Engine cradles are allowed, but use a factory styled mount. NO SKI INC STYLED MOUNTS. CRADLES MUST NOT BE WELDED TO THE FRAME IN ANYWAY. 4. Solid lower engine mounts are allowed. If you need to weld plates under your lower mounts because they won’t sit on the engine crossmember that’s fine, but they must not be attached to the frame rails. 5. If you choose to chain your engine in, the chains must only be attached to the engine and straight down to engine crossmember. 6. Skid plates must be just for the pan they are protecting and can’t extend more than ½ inch from their pan. 7. You may run an aluminum ultra-bell on automatics. Manual transmissions may run a blow proof bell housing. No additional bolts or welding permitted. 8. If you choose to not run the factory transmission cross member you may use 2”x2” tubing instead. It must mount in factory make and model location. No plates bigger than 4”x4” welded to the frame to weld your cross member to!!! 9. If you’re using a bolt on style transmission mount, it must be an O.E.M. rubber mount. If you choose to not run a mount, you may wrap chain or wire around transmission and cross member to hold it in place. NO WELDING and only one bolt if you choose the wire or chain route. -If your car is factory equipped with a floating cross member (example: mid 70’s Fords and 74 and older Cadillacs) you may add TWO 5/8” bolts and bolt it solid to the floor. Washers cannot exceed 4”x4” diameter!!! This will be strictly enforced!! 10. Slider shafts are allowed. 11. Any factory car or truck rear end is allowed. No rear ends bigger than a 3500 series pickup permitted and only one wheel per side of rear end. You may weld brackets on the rear end to accommodate the vehicles factory suspension style. Rear end may be braced. Brace must only run across the back of the rearend and CANNOT re-enforce the frame in any way. NO AXEL SAVERS.
Bumper/Bumper Mounting: 1. Homemade pointy bumpers must have tapered point that closely resembles Chrysler pointy bumper. 2. Bumpers may be plated on the inside and on the backing of the bumper. No sharp edges. -Any front bumper bracket may be used on any car. If you choose to, you may make your shocks out of 2”x2” tubing. 3. Absolutely no bracket or shock may be welded past 6 inches behind the factory core support mount hole on the frame rail. If your cars factory shock or bracket goes farther than 6 inches back, it must remain completely factory beyond the allotted 6 inches. 4. If you choose to hard nose or put your shock inside the frame you MUST have a ¾” hole in the top center of your frame 6 inches behind the factory core support mount hole on the frame rail. (unless we can clearly see the shock stops where it is supposed to). You may weld a ¾” hardware washer around the hole to make up for the missing metal. Single pass only! -Suicide Lincolns and cars that have no core support mount must only go 6 inches past the vertical part of core support right above the frame rail when mounting the bumper. -Rear bumper brackets may be welded, single pass only. Absolutely no rear bracket may be moved forward.
5. Rear bumper height may NOT be any lower then 14inches to the bottom of the bumper.
Cage: 1. 4 point cages are allowed. Must be a minimum of 6 inches above the factory body mount height. 2. Dash bar must be 6” from any firewall or cowl sheet metal, must also be 6” off the transmission tunnel. 3. 4 down legs are allowed to the frame, but must only be located in between the front door inner seams. 4. Down legs off of the cage that attach to the body must be no further back than the rear spreader and no further forward than the front door inner seam. 5. Roll over bars must be vertical and no further back than the rear spreader bar (maximum of 6 inches behind the seat). You will only be allowed to attach bar to roof with 2 bolts no bigger than 1 inch. Washers must not exceed 4”x4”. 6. Gas tank protectors are allowed but must remain 4 inches from the rear firewall and no more than 30 inches wide, and in the center of the car. It can be bolted to the floor if NOT attached to the cage.
Body: 1. Sheet metal may be cut for clearance, but no bending, folding or reattaching anywhere. -You may use five 3/8” bolts per wheel well opening. Hardware washers only. Absolutely no other bolting of the body other than the bolts allowed in the hood. 2. You’re allowed a maximum of 8 spots of double stranded #9 wire to hold hood down. You may weld a 1 inch hardware washer around each hole to keep from tearing. All wire must be body to body only. 3. Wagons tailgates may have 8 spots of double stranded #9 wire and 2 pieces of 3/4 all-thread, but the all-thread must be through the body only and NOT the frame. 4. The only acceptable rust repair on any car is allowed in the driver and passenger area. This is for safety purposes only, and if we think you used this to strengthen the car for anything other than safety purposes you will not be allowed to run. 5. Doors may be welded solid with strap no bigger than 4” x 1/8”. Tops of doors may be folded over and welded, but no added metal. Absolutely no other body seam welding besides doors!! 6. Hood must be open for inspection. 7. You may use 4 feet of 2”x 1/8” strap to secure trunk lids or wagon tailgates. Must be able to see inside trunk areas. 8. You may run double stranded #9 wire from quarter panel to quarter panel in trunk to keep the quarters from blowing apart. Single hardware washers may be welded around the holes. 9. No wedged cars allowed 10. Sedagons will be allowed, but call for allowable tucking methods. MUST BE ABLE TO SEE INSIDE REAR COMPARTMENT AREA. 11. In addition to the 2 pieces of all-thread in the core support, you will be allowed 4 more bolts to hold the hood down. Must be body to body only and the washers must not exceed 4”x4”. Or you may use double stranded #9 wire in 8 spots. 12. No more than ten 3/8” bolts to hold your outer hood skin to your inner hood skin. 13. You will be allowed 4 spots of double stranded #9 wire from your hood/core support to your front bumper. 14. Body creasing is allowed, but absolutely no bolting or welding to assist.
03 and Newer: 1. 03 and newer car are allowed, but may only use factory Ford parts. You may also only use a single pass of weld to attach k-member no wider then 1/2 inch. No plating or filling crush holes in the front. Must have a ¾ hole behind the a-arms for inspection, hole may have a ¾ washer weld around, but inspectors must be able to fit ¾ drill bit in the hole. No square tubing for spring pockets and no ALL-THREAD for front shocks. All other limited weld rules apply.
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Post by cthompson11 on Aug 30, 2017 14:32:09 GMT -5
Updated mini rules
Mini Car Rules-All minis will follow the same safety rules and regulations listed in the general rule section. -wheel base limits are up to 106 rear wheel drive max 113 front wheel drive max. -No full framed vehicles. -No mini trucks or V8 engines allowed Below you will find the list of options you have to build a car, if you choose to alter the stock configurations. We absolutely will not work with a driver to get a car into the show. Do not read these rules trying to find grey areas. We will enforce these rules very, very strictly and the Head Inspector’s say is final! -Absolutely no engine/trans protectors, radiator protectors (other than a stock A.C. condenser, or any other homemade parts to make a vehicle stronger. You will be allowed a gas tank protector but it must not touch the firewall and no wider than 30 inches. If running a minivan your gas tank and/or gas tank protector may be no farther than 36” from the rear spreader bar at any point. -All suspension must be factory make/model for the vehicle. -4 point cage is strongly recommended. You may run 4 downlegs to the body or the frame but these must remain in between the front door inner seams. -You may replace the core support mounts with ¾” all thread and run them up through the hood. No sleeving is allowed. If your vehicle doesn’t have mounts, the all thread must be welded to the backside of the core support. You may also run 2 pieces of ¾” all thread through the trunk lid. They may be welded to the side of the frame. They must be placed on the flat part of the trunk pan and ran vertical. -Doors and trunk lid may be welded solid with 4”x1/8” strap. No stacking or overlapping. Must have a 12” inspection hole in trunk lid!!! If you choose not to weld trunk you may use 8 double stranded spots of #9 wire but must be body to body only. Hoods may have 8 spots of double stranded 9 wire. 1” hardware washers may be welded around the holes for the wire to pass through. -Five 3/8” bolts with hardware washers only per wheel well. -No more than ten 3/8” bolts to bolt the outer hood skin to the inner hood skin. -Any bumper may be used. YOU MAY USE A HOMEMADE BUMPER, BUT IT MUST NOT HAVE MORE THEN A 12'' POINT ON IT. THIS IS MEASURED FROM BACK TO FRONT. YOU ALSO MAY USE A LOADED BUMPER. -Homemade bumper BRACKETS ARE ALLOWED. You may not weld or bolt past 6” behind the factory core support mount hole. If your vehicle doesn’t have a core support mount we will measure from the vertical part of core support directly above the frame rail. We don’t want bumpers falling off!! -Absolutely no welding besides what is stated in the rules. -The only acceptable rust repair is for your feet, seat, gas tank, tranny cooler and battery box. Don’t get carried away or you won’t run!! -Pre-rans will be allowed 4 plates on visible bends, 4”x6”x1/4” max size. -All factory frame and body seams can be welded solid. Single pass and no added metal.* -Front suspensions may be locked. If you need to weld strap to your frame in order to do so, keep it minimal. If we feel you are using it to strengthen your frame you will need to cut it in order to run. -In addition to the 2 pieces of all thread in the core support you will be allowed 4 more bolts to hold the hood down. Must be body to body only and the washers must not exceed 4”x4”. Or you may use double stranded #9 wire in 8 spots. It must be body to body only. -You may also run double stranded #9 wire from the front bumper to the hood or core support in 4 places only.
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Post by cthompson11 on Aug 30, 2017 14:32:45 GMT -5
WIRE CLASS rules.
WIRE CLASS
1. Any American-made sedan or station wagon No imperials 2. Helmet, seat belt, and eye protection must be worn at all times. Long sleeves and Long pants required. 3. Any controversies or protests must be brought up during the drivers meeting. 4. Any questions call first. If it doesn't say you can don't do it. Cars must be stock. No painting of the frames. If the car is black it must have a 12" x 12" roof sign. 5. Judges decision's are final. All cars are subject to re-inspection at any time before, during, or after the event. 6. All glass, plastic, and interior must be removed before arriving to the event. 7. Any car motor of choice is permitted. NO DISTRIBUTOR PROTECTORS. NO ENGINE CRADELS. NO MOTOR PROTECTORS OF ANY KIND. NO KICKERS. MUST USE STOCK MOUNTS. Can have ONE chain per side, going down TWO length welded 3/8 chain to cradle under engine not the frame. 8. Hood- wire ONLY. 8 double strand of #9 wire 2 may go around bumper and or frame. Hoods must be open for inspection. (12" x 12" hole over carburetor). Deck lids may be wired same way no welding permitted. A 14" x 14" inspection hole must be put in all deck lids. Deck lids MUST be in original position. NO WEDGING. NO BODY CREASING PERMITTED. All doors must be wired shut, except drivers door may be weld using no bigger then 2”x1/8” flat strap. 9. No interior seam welding will be permitted. Some rust repair is permitted do not go overboard. 10. Rear coil springs may be wired or chained. No solid suspensions. All suspension components must remain factory stock. No modifications will be permitted. Cars must bounce. 11. Front coil springs must remain stock. You can use screw-in spacers. Leaf spring cars must remain factory springs. NO EXCEPTIONS! You cannot change coil spring to leaf spring set ups. 12. Car must set level bumpers cannot be higher than 18” to bottom of bumper 13. Any stock 5 bolt rear end permitted. No rear end protectors. Must use STOCK trailing arms. 14. Tie Rods MAY BE REINFORCED No gas tank protectors. 15. Factory body bolts may be changed to ½” bolts you must use factory rubber and bushing spacer or there must be a 1 “ gap between body and frame. 16. You may have a bar in the dash area and a bar behind the seat with bars connecting the dash and rear bar on each side. Side bars must be inside of car not inside of doors. Roll over bar is permitted No down legs permitted no gussets permitted. No bigger than 4” in diameter bars and you can use a ¼” X 6” X 6” plate to attach bars to the sheet metal MUST HAVE A 5" SPACE FROM DASH BAR TO FIREWALL 17. Angles for cross member can't be longer than 5" and must be within 12" from factory location. 18. NO FRAME WELDING. You may weld the bumper to the bumper shock there must be at least a 1“ gap between bumper and frame Must use the factory bumper shock for car you are running. No hard nosing of bumper permitted. Any factory car bumper will be permitted no loading or plating of bumper permitted. No tilting OR COLD BENDING of frames will be permitted NO WELDING TO FRAME IS PERMITTED 19. Trailer hitches and braces must be removed. 20. Original gas tank must be removed and replaced with a boat-type tank or fuel cell. Moved inside of car behind driver's seat but no further back than rear axle. Batteries must be moved to passenger side floor board and securely fastened. 21. Only aftermarket parts that are permitted is a shifter, stacks, Tie rods, and steering column, gas pedal as long as it mounts to the engine block, cage, or floor. Floor mount pedals CAN NOT BE A BRAKE/ GAS PEDAL COMBO. You may also run a slider shaft. 22. Doubled tires permitted weld in centers are ok no rim guards or protectors of any kind.23. YOU MAY USE 2- 4X4X1/4 PLATES ON A PRE RAN. FRAME MUST SHOW DAMAGE.24. YOU ALSO CLIP A PRE RAN CAR. FRAME MUST BE BUT WELDED WITH NO EXTRA METAL ADDED. YOU MAY NOT GRIND WELDS WHER FRAME WAS CLIPPED. YOU MUST ALSO HAVE A 1/2'' HOLE WITH IN 4 INCHES OF WHERE FRAME WAS CLIPPED IN FRONT AND BEHIND THE WELD.
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Post by cthompson11 on Aug 30, 2017 14:33:21 GMT -5
Update on WIRE CLASS you are allowed 2 4x4x1/4 plates on a preran, however the frame must show damage. I will also allow you to cut you 4x4×1/4 plates in half and use 4 2x4x1/4 plates. Again it must show damage. If I can't see where a car bent then you will cut them. I will also allow you to use 1" all-thread in your core support. Core support must maintain the factory space and factory mount location. All thread may not be welded to anything. If your all-thread is welded anywhere you will cut the hole piece and loss the use of the all-thread.
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Post by smokeyheaderracing on Oct 10, 2017 9:39:40 GMT -5
Any chance you will run heats?
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Post by cthompson11 on Oct 10, 2017 10:07:09 GMT -5
I hope so. Bring extras just in case. If we have more then 20 car in a single class we will run heats.
Payouts will be Limited weld 2000 1000 500 300 100
Wire class 1200 500 300 200 100
Mini 1000 500 300
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Post by smokeyheaderracing on Oct 10, 2017 12:43:28 GMT -5
Your killing this old man!!!!!!
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crash7x70
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Post by crash7x70 on Oct 12, 2017 17:50:45 GMT -5
Any money for maddog? If I come, that's all I'll be there for. I got a brand new engine I need to break in.
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Post by cthompson11 on Oct 24, 2017 11:40:42 GMT -5
Date change. This show has been moved to November 4th
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Post by chalkumup on Nov 4, 2017 9:37:20 GMT -5
Heard the fair board cancelled this show because they were worried there wouldn't be enough fans in the stands. It sounded like there were going to be a lot of cars showing up at this show.
Gotta love greedy fair board members!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by derbyfan626 on Nov 4, 2017 18:20:29 GMT -5
Bring your cars to Brownstown illionis Nov 11th
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