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Post by twisted66 on Sept 28, 2012 0:13:29 GMT -5
I refuse to drive a gm and I'm looking into building a car for rules that are not very mopar compatible imo. My concern is whith the trunk. I'm not set on any one car so I'm looking for opinions on what mopar trunk packs/rolls best rules state leafs must remain stock but can be shortened 10 inches. Kinda silly I think humps can be chained. And 6 leaf clamps per spring 2" wide 1/4 thick. Trunk seem can be welded and tucked but not welded to trunk floor trunk can be v'd but must be 12" off the floor. And 2 rear window bars that can't touch the deck lid. I've never had to mess with building a soft mopar trunk so I think I need it to pack then hold solid for a while. What non imp car will I most likely have the best results with? Do we have a trunk thread anymore? Didn't see it in the locator. Thanks for reading and any help will be greatly appreciated.
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Post by ironman712 on Sept 28, 2012 1:09:04 GMT -5
If I was allowed to shorten the springs 10 inches I would build a 66 new yorker with a shocker sub. With the springs shortened 10 inches and chain humps ......or you always got the chrysler wagons
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Post by moparpower162 on Sept 28, 2012 5:31:38 GMT -5
68 chrysler 300 2 doors are amazing cars to get good pack and roll... or like he said 66 new yorker is a good choice or the mopar wagons can be night ruiner
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Post by Johnny L on Sept 28, 2012 7:00:16 GMT -5
I'd say any Dodge or Chrysler from 65-68. Plymouths IMO don't bend the same in the back...I've seen Polaras (including my own) roll and pack absolutely perfect, along with Newports of the same era.
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Post by mopar17 on Sept 28, 2012 7:01:54 GMT -5
Shockers are fairly easy to get to roll.....I must say though, those aren't the greatest rules lol.
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Post by dm440c on Sept 28, 2012 11:44:58 GMT -5
rules make no sense, how can the leaf pack be stock after you shorten it 10"? A shortened leaf pack is not a stock leaf pack, those guys who made that rule are either clueless or poor communicators. First of all, you're right, we used to have a "Mopar trunks" tips thread but it must have died out with all the board migration chaos. Maybe this is a good opportunity to start it up again. second, I see no point to a shortened leaf pack unless it is a flat stack. If not going with a flat stack then standard length is appropriate IMO. Only question then is whether you want to add leaves to make it stiffer third, with any Mopar in any circumstance I think running a loop of chain under the axle and over the hump is a good idea fourth..... we spend a lot of time discussing trunk strategies in all of the individual chassis tips threads and a common theme for me is the fact that you have to choose between "promote a roll" or "straight and stiff" (no dick jokes intended here but you can insert a Beavis & Butthead chuckle if you want to) and then choose your individual treatments to compliment the strategy. Your question is intriguing in the way it is worded.... "which packs & rolls the best?". IMO with the rules you described ANY of the full size sedans 1978 & older will work since you are declaring from the start that your intention is to promote a roll. Good news here, this is the easier of the two strategies to do and it works whether the trunk floor is rusty or not. I would extend this list of candidates to include any of the midsize sedans from 1968 & older and any of the 2 door midsize sedans from 1975-1979. You could also include the 79-81 R body sedans and the 4 door F/M/J sedans from 1976-1989. How's that for a wide open list to get good results? What is "the best" from that list? Prepare for a lengthy debate. I see some guys chose the wagons and you'll notice I left them off my list, this is personal preference but to me you need shortened flat stacks relocated under the frame rails, hump chains, and strategic use of threaded rod to get a Mopar wagon rear end to do what I want it to do and I don't see that in your rules. For the sedans to roll, any of them with your rules, I would just cut off the back half of the lid, seam weld what is left, and then canoe from the speaker deck back to where you cut it off. A little slice on top of the 1/4s in line with the cutoff and a couple shots with the hammer at the slice. It should pack nice from there on its own but you can also pre-bend the trunk floor up there or notch, I usually don't but you could. Thread rod or 9 wire from the edge of the cut lid through the frame will help keep it from blowing back apart if someone goes after it with a vengeance. you can kinda get the idea from this one, although in this pic the 9 wire hasn't been added yet and the canoe hasn't been hammered in yet. The canoe job goes MUCH easier after you weld the lid so save it for last.
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Post by doba3sum on Oct 2, 2012 19:36:00 GMT -5
Ryan I would run a Bubble vic or A double hump doba!! They don't need inner seam welding to be strong in the *ss. Dish them like I do mine and chain there humps and you will be ready.
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Post by WILSON'S INC. on Oct 2, 2012 20:35:48 GMT -5
R-body!
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Post by tbostock on Oct 3, 2012 13:29:50 GMT -5
I posted a few that i have done in the y framer thread pg. 14.
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Post by twisted66 on Oct 4, 2012 20:12:40 GMT -5
The new fords are not good. Can't tilt for this show. I was kinda thinking a dona or an r body with a big block would be a good car. Small and fast I'm assuming it will be a very crowded arena especially during the main event. But that's why I want opinions to see what everybody thinks.
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Post by dm440c on Oct 5, 2012 10:21:42 GMT -5
my opinion.... if I'm planning to use the trunk on a doba or R body, then I don't want it to roll.... the only time I want it to roll is if it is rusty in the pan and I plan to drive forward, but don't want it ruined too fast when other people hit it
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Post by twisted66 on Oct 8, 2012 2:01:44 GMT -5
How do you set up a trunk to hold straight on a doba with stock leafs dm? I do know where there is s clean Roscoe for 250.00 if it's still available. Guess I've never seen a factory tp mopar cause I've never seen one with 9 leafs. As of right now none of this really matters because the promoter of this show is starting to give the appearance that he doesn't care. I've called a few times now and he doesn't call me back. I told him i was from Utah maybe that scared him
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Post by doba3sum on Oct 8, 2012 3:20:01 GMT -5
Ryan I know your last ? wasn't directed to me but None of my dobas have had extra leafs all stock leafs. and In my opinion they have held up well. Chain the humps, pinch and dish and they should stay straight. Even longer if you had a double humper frame.
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Post by dm440c on Oct 8, 2012 11:05:55 GMT -5
Ryan I know your last ? wasn't directed to me but None of my dobas have had extra leafs all stock leafs. and In my opinion they have held up well. Chain the humps, pinch and dish and they should stay straight. Even longer if you had a double humper frame. yeah that's pretty much it with stock leaf springs. Here in NC a doba with a clean trunk pan is harder to find than Jimmy Hoffa so the decision is usually made for me, 'cuz those frame rails are strong and if the webbing of the trunk pan is not intact they like to rip loose and shove straight in on the axle and F your world up. There are some ways around it depending on your rule specifics and how much time you feel like putting in... patching is the obvious answer, inner seam welding if allowed, relocate the trunk lid to the floor with threaded rod through the frame comes to mind. But yeah, basic formula is provided by doba3sum above. I generally leave the bumper on if this is my strategy, I only take it off if the roll is my goal. Flat stack relocated under the rails makes it even better. The canoe job (dish) really seems to make a difference on these especially when you can weld the trunk lid. Once they go, they're gone... but it takes a while. Personally I'm not a fan of the Roscoe trunks, I've never been able to get one to be comparable to the 2 door versions... even the double framed ones don't hold up worth a $%#@ for me so I just build 'em to roll and drive forward.
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Post by Punisher 66J on Oct 9, 2012 20:54:31 GMT -5
Will that work with a 69 newport as well.
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