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Post by derbs10 on Jun 18, 2020 20:01:11 GMT -5
Thinking about running a bigger derby next year at the moment only have been running mostly county fair type shows with just Mopars also looking into advice into different makes of cars. I want to broaden where I run, either out of state or in state. MN is where I’m at. Any advice would be great thank you
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Post by nick18sf on Jun 18, 2020 20:33:22 GMT -5
Just put together what you know how to build all ready. From personnel experience, setting up in competition can be a real reality check to
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Post by DerbyKing88s on Jun 18, 2020 21:24:48 GMT -5
Be quick with the pre registration lol. Just be confident and build how you see fit, take your time, read the rules and plan out the build.
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Post by demoboy333 on Jun 18, 2020 22:22:30 GMT -5
My thought on bigger shows. If your not winning local shows don't waste the extra money to run bigger shows and invest that into your set ups.
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Post by fallinskiestwice on Jun 18, 2020 23:19:35 GMT -5
My thought on bigger shows. If your not winning local shows don't waste the extra money to run bigger shows and invest that into your set ups. I disagree with this to a point. You don't need to dominate local shows before broadening your horizon. Sure, if you're just starting out, run a some local shows first. I had decent success before i decided to run bash. First year down there was extremely intimidating and definitely a learning experience but it was so much fun running against the best compacts in the country. The next year the wife and i both qualified and competed fairly well in the feature. I learned more in a couple weekends there than i did in years running against the same 20 cars over and over. |
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Post by derbs10 on Jun 19, 2020 7:55:24 GMT -5
My thought on bigger shows. If your not winning local shows don't waste the extra money to run bigger shows and invest that into your set ups. I disagree with this to a point. You don't need to dominate local shows before broadening your horizon. Sure, if you're just starting out, run a some local shows first. I had decent success before i decided to run bash. First year down there was extremely intimidating and definitely a learning experience but it was so much fun running against the best compacts in the country. The next year the wife and i both qualified and competed fairly well in the feature. I learned more in a couple weekends there than i did in years running against the same 20 cars over and over. in my area I have ran against the same local cars for a couple of years and it’s a type of show where it seems like other people can get away with a lot more stuff than my brother and I so that kinda played a factor into looking for different places. Unfortunately most places don’t have the greatest rule setups for Chrysler cars. |
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Post by DerbyKing88s on Jun 19, 2020 8:13:33 GMT -5
Just choose a show and try it
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Post by fallinskiestwice on Jun 19, 2020 9:33:37 GMT -5
I disagree with this to a point. You don't need to dominate local shows before broadening your horizon. Sure, if you're just starting out, run a some local shows first. I had decent success before i decided to run bash. First year down there was extremely intimidating and definitely a learning experience but it was so much fun running against the best compacts in the country. The next year the wife and i both qualified and competed fairly well in the feature. I learned more in a couple weekends there than i did in years running against the same 20 cars over and over. in my area I have ran against the same local cars for a couple of years and it’s a type of show where it seems like other people can get away with a lot more stuff than my brother and I so that kinda played a factor into looking for different places. Unfortunately most places don’t have the greatest rule setups for Chrysler cars. You'll run into that pretty much anywhere you go. |
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Post by cheezwhiz31 on Jun 19, 2020 11:30:23 GMT -5
in my area I have ran against the same local cars for a couple of years and it’s a type of show where it seems like other people can get away with a lot more stuff than my brother and I so that kinda played a factor into looking for different places. Unfortunately most places don’t have the greatest rule setups for Chrysler cars. You'll run into that pretty much anywhere you go. worse at the big shows where guys have been running there for years and know how they inspect per the rules and what not. Not cheating just experience. But will never know till you try... Build what you know how to and make damn sure the thing runs good..... |
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Post by noser23x on Jun 19, 2020 12:10:31 GMT -5
I disagree with this to a point. You don't need to dominate local shows before broadening your horizon. Sure, if you're just starting out, run a some local shows first. I had decent success before i decided to run bash. First year down there was extremely intimidating and definitely a learning experience but it was so much fun running against the best compacts in the country. The next year the wife and i both qualified and competed fairly well in the feature. I learned more in a couple weekends there than i did in years running against the same 20 cars over and over. in my area I have ran against the same local cars for a couple of years and it’s a type of show where it seems like other people can get away with a lot more stuff than my brother and I so that kinda played a factor into looking for different places. Unfortunately most places don’t have the greatest rule setups for Chrysler cars. Just curious, whats your name? Hard to keep track on here, but im also from MN and can maybe help you guys out with a little guidance! Message me if needed. |
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Post by derbs10 on Jun 19, 2020 13:38:14 GMT -5
I mean I wanna run a mopar because that’s what I know, but I know they won’t compete that well in the bigger shows.
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Post by Landshark007 on Jun 19, 2020 19:22:01 GMT -5
I wouldn’t be afraid to take a mopar to big show
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Post by Landshark007 on Jun 19, 2020 20:15:18 GMT -5
I wish I could break even I’m so far in the hole. Got to be in it for the fun not the money
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Post by derbs10 on Jun 19, 2020 20:46:02 GMT -5
Honestly on top of wanting to get out of the area I’m in I kinda wanna prove a point to anyone in my area. I heard a rumor from one of the opposing shops drivers saying that my brother and I “are not a real derby shop” so that kinda pissed us both off and just wanna probe that point
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Post by noser23x on Jun 19, 2020 21:28:57 GMT -5
I wish I could break even I’m so far in the hole. Got to be in it for the fun not the money I hear you there, it just drives me nuts guys running big shows and walking away down thousands and thousands of dollars, while the promoters walk away with tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars? Just curious, then why run a county fair that fills stands, often more then big shows so they pocket more, and pay a fraction of the payout that a big money show offers? As a promotor, for a fair and with some experience helping in bigger shows. The county fair I run pays out 13.5k, while big money shows pay out anywhere from 30k to 100k. There is a significant more amount of liability there as well. With a county fair you are almost guaranteed a full crowd, unless rain. Big money show you are guaranteed nothing, you have no other attraction, and no security blanket. You rely solely on sponsors to help make payout and crowd. So say you want a show with 40k, plus say another amount for operating cost (if your running your own show, 1 day) you have another 20k possible in running the event. Renting the grounds, skid loaders, porta potties, etc. So your at 60k. At $10 a ticket, and say you get 15k in entry fees (highly unlikely) plus another 5k in sponsorship, you have to make up 40k, that you probably took a loan out for. So that means 4k people in the stands, that is a hard number to hit, much harder then you would think. So say they have 6000 people in the stands. They just lined there pockets with 20k right? Not. They have to take that money and pay the 15 tech guys and flag guys to run a big money show, they have been here for two days. Thats $500 Each. There goes 7500. So you have 12,000 left. I guarantee, most of the guys doing this are putting that money right back in. Maybe they are buying a lift to help their guys in tech, or putting more money into the payout for the next year. While some promotors are bad, most are good. Most are pulling their hair out hoping cars show up, hoping people show up so they arent out money. They love demo just like you, and just want a show to be successful and keep their blood pressure intact. |
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