This is the third Annual Good Guys Rod and Custom Car Show/Demolition Derby held at the North Carolina State Fairgrounds in Raleigh North Carolina. The demolition derby will be Saturday April 29th, 2017. The Pits open at 10;00am and Close at 4:00pm, with the competition starting at 6:00pm. Classes include the following, a Full Size Stock Class (this class will run heats) and a one and done "Gut and Go" mini car class. Each class will have a Mad Dog cash prize and trophy. To our knowledge this is the highest paying derby in the state of North Carolina, so come out and derby with a fair and good quality group of inspectors who does not care about padding their pockets, but their for the drivers! Get to building, it is going to be a good, hard hitting show!
There are rule changes in both Full Size Stock and Mini Car- the Rules that were changed from last year are in bold/italics.
For any questions about the derby please call; Richie Price 317-490-5464
Full Size Cars Heats and Feature---Unlimited Entries 1. $1,500.00 2. $900.00 3. $500.00 4. $150.00 5. $100.00
Overall full Size Mad Dog: $300.00 $3,450.00 total Stock Class prize money
Mini Car Class-One and Done---40 Cars Max 1. $700.00 2. $400.00 3. $200.00 Mini Car class Mad Dog: $250.00 $1,550.00 Total Mini Car Class prize money
Total Prize Money: $5,000.00
Entry fees Full Size--Unlimited entry Pre - Register $50 by April 1st or Late Register $65 after April 1st or at the gate
Mini Car--40 cars max Pre - Register $30 by April 1st Late Register $45 after April 1st or at the gate
Pits open at 10:00 AM tech line closes at 4:00 PM Derby begins at 6:00 PM
2017 Good Guys Demolition Derby Rules
GENERAL RULES: Demolition derbies are dangerous, and R&W Promotions LLC., assumes no liability in the result of injury from competing in this event. Rules are constructed for driver's safety. Drivers participate at their own risk.
1. The cars are to be constructed according to the rules. If certain items are not specified, it doesn't mean it is legal. The judge's decision will be final, so call before you do something that you don't understand. 2. All cars must be on grounds 2 Hours before event to be inspected. Any cars arriving late will be charged an additional $20 entry fee to compete. Any car arriving after the tech line closed will not be allowed to run. All cars must be removed immediately after the show or they will become the property of R&W Promotions LLC. 3. The driver must be at least 18 years old to drive. If you are under 18 years of age and want to compete, please call. You must be able to prove age upon request to drive, or have a notarized document signed by a parent or guardian stating that parents assume all risks. No one under the age of 16 will be able to compete. 4. Approved racing helmets must be worn at all times. Goggles or a face shield, fire suit or long sleeve shirt must be worn. Long pants and closed toe shoes are mandatory. No shorts allowed. If a driver removes his/her helmet while the event is taking place they will forfeit all winnings and be disqualified for the night. 5. Any unsportsman like conduct by the driver or the crew will cause your car to be disqualified and forfeit of any winnings. The judge's decision will be final. 6. No liquor or intoxicating beverages allowed in pit area. Possession of alcohol or drugs in pits will result in disqualification of your car. 7. Drivers meeting will be held before the event is to start to explain rules and flags. Any car protest must be made at this time. All drivers must attend, attendance will be taken. If a driver misses for any reason, there car will be disqualified. All drivers meetings will be held 30 min. before start time. 8. A driver that is disqualified in the heat race for sandbagging or an intentional door hit will not be allowed to compete anymore that evening. 9. The purpose of the derby is to provide entertainment for the spectators. Anyone not complying with the rules will be barred from the event. 10. It is mandatory for everyone entering into the pits to purchase a pit pass. 11. If a car is found illegal, no entries will be refunded. Cars should be brought legal. Not having a set of rules is not our fault. The promoter reserves the right to approve or reject any entries. The promoter reserves the right to drill or cut any car body or frame at anytime during the event. We will be using bore scopes during inspection so build to the rules. Cars will be subject to inspection after event. 12. The driver is the only person allowed to drive the car at the venue. The driver is the only person allowed around the car while their car is being inspected. Cars will be disqualified if rule is not followed. 13. No welding on a car at the show. 14. All cars will have working brakes. All cars must have working seat belts and must be worn while on the track!
FULLSIZE CLASS RULES 2017 PREPARATION OF CAR: No trucks, vans, ambulances, jeeps, carry-all, limousines, Hearse, 4-wheel drives, checker cabs, propane cars, 73 or older Chrysler imperials. No Chrysler bodies on imperial frames. 2003 and newer Fords must remain factory (drive line, and bumpers are the only things that can be changed). This includes the cradle. There is to be no MIX-MATCHING of frames. Ford to Ford. GM-to-GM. Chrysler to Chrysler. (SAME ERA) Cars are to be constructed according to rules. If you are caught intentionally pinning, plating, capping, or loading frame or body, other than what is specified, YOU WILL NOT RUN! Judges decision is FINAL.
FRAMES: 1. There is to be NO painting of frames. No frame shaping or beating in humps, if you do we will not inspect the car it will be loaded. If you are painting a frame you are cheating and you won’t run. 2. You are allowed to seam weld and 18 inches or the front frame seams to and bottom or inboard or outboard. Weld is a single pass with a bead no wider than 3/8inch. Front frame section is defined as from the firewall forward. 3. Non shock cars can be made shock cars, but the seam welding it requires takes from your total 18inches. a. Dippy may remove body pucks, weld 9 and 9 to weld the K member to the frame, then weld bumper shock to the frame and hard nose the bumper along with welding shock to the bumper. b. 74 Buick may weld 18inches down near the firewall on the top and bottom, weld bumper shock bracket to the frame and the shock to the bumper. c. Y-Frame Mopars can put shock inside the frame, close frame up and weld 18 inches of seams up top and bottom. 4. ALL factory frame holes must remain OPEN 5. Front frame may be shortened to the factory core support mount. Core support mounts cannot be moved. Body mount tabs maybe re-welded to accommodate front body spacers but cannot be moved back on frame. 6. All cars must use the factory core support mounts. There is to be no welding of angle iron or pipe to the side of the frame to mount your core support. This mount is considered a body mount. Mount may be replaced with ¾ inch all thread that may run through the top side of core support. 7. You may repair a bent frame. Inspectors must be able to see the bend in the frame (From the Outside) for the patch to be justified. The patch may be no bigger than 3in x 4in x1/4in. Patch must be put on in a way that the bend is still visible. If the bend is not visible the PATCH AND WELD will be removed. No windows. This repair may only be performed on one side of the frame and only one plate per corner. You may not fix any more than 4 bends on a car. 8. You may reclip a pre run bent car. When doing this, you may only use the butt weld method. The replacement clip must be welded in the factory manner. No pitching of cars 1979 or earlier. Cars must continue to use factory body mount bolts. Clip must be out of the same era of car. (If you reclip a 74 impala, you may not use a 74 Cadillac clip. If you run a 70’s Ford you may not run a 01 ford front clip.) 9. 1980 and newer frames can be tilted by cold bending or cutting OEM seams and welding one 3/8inch wide pass as if it was from the factory. a. 1980 and up GM’s may run a 22inch hump plate. This is can be bolted or welded on. It may run across the hump or be a plate contoured to the hump. Plate is allowed on the outside of frame. They must be welded on in a 9 o’clock to 3 o’clock manner. b. 2003 and up Fords; Front and rear suspension and steering must be derbied as designed from the Factory. c. 1998-2002 Fords must utilize rear watts link suspension. Rear end housing may be modified to accomplish this. Uppers and spindles may be swapped. 10. Rust damage may be repaired with the same size metal. No more than a 1-inch overlap. No patch may be larger than 4x6in. You may only fix 2 spots of rust on the frame. PLEASE call prior to fixing any rust on frames! 11. You may run a homemade cross member. Cross member must run from side to side with nothing extending towards the crush box or cowl area. Cross member may not be any bigger than 2x2in. Factory cross member bracket may be replaced with a 3 inch piece of angle iron. This is for Cross member mounting, not frame strengthening. Cross members must be installed in same manner as factory. 12. No frame creasing.
Drive Line: 1. Engines and transmissions may be interchanged. 2. #1 spark plug can be no farther back than 4inches from upper ball joint. NO SKID PLATES. Oil pans and transmission pans may be strengthened. 3. No distributor protectors and nothing that protects the carb, intake or fuel pump. 4. Engine cradles are legal in the follow manner: A) Any engine with a cradle must be mounted in car utilizing factory frame mounts. You may use a gm frame mount in a ford, or a ford mount in a gm. Must be factory mounts bolted or welded in. No altering the mounts B) Cradle can in no way touch the frame or the body. C) Cars with cradles and pulley protectors MUST REMOVE sway bars. D) Engines that have no cradle may be mounted in any way that does not strengthen the car. 5. Radiators must remain in stock location. You cannot run extra radiators or water tanks. 6. Radiators must hold water, No anti-freeze, oil or alcohol. 7. Electric Fans are ok. 8.1/16th inch pleated steel or expanded metal may be used across core support to protect the radiator core only, not wrapped around the tanks 9. Transmission coolers are allowed, but must be securely fastened. Cooler may in no way reinforce car. 10. Transmission protectors are not allowed. 11. Transmissions must have a 1inch NON-MEATALLIC spacer between the transmission and the cross member. Transmissions must mount in factory manner (if tranny for car mounted at the back of the tranny, yours must mount that way. It cannot be mounted in the middle of the pan.) 12. Slider drive shafts are ok. 13. Batteries must be moved. You can use 3 batteries, but they must be securely mounted in passenger side floorboard area. Batteries must be covered. 14. Gas Tanks must be mounted in the cabin and away from the driver. If plastic, needs to be covered with metal lid. 15. All fuel cells and fuel lines must be covered in area where they may become pinched or cut. 16. Steering column may be modified. Steering box needs to be stock location and use factory holes. Universals may be used. 17. OEM tie rod adjusters maybe welded and reinforced. All steering joints need to be ball and socket style. 18. Any 5 or 8 lug factory rearend. No changing of coil to leaf springs. No Braces. 19. Rear-end shock, spring pads and leaf spring mounts may be moved, Watts Link brackets maybe welded onto older housings.
Tires: Must be a rubber tire 13inches in size or bigger. Valve stem protectors are OK. Doubled tires are ok. No bead locks.
CAGES: Standard 4 point cage MAX. 1. A cage of no bigger than 4 in. pipe or 4x4 in. box tubing can be used. (Standard 4 Point Cage Only) 4in MAX! 2. You can have 2 down legs that can be welded to the body only. Do not beat the body down to the frame. If there is no space for inspection the leg and that area of floor will be removed. These bars must be straight up and down and can only come off the door bars 3. The cage may have an overhead bar or roll over bar. The roll bar must be straight up and down, no pitch towards rear of car. This bar must be within 6 inches of the doorpost. 2 door cars, 6in from the back of the driver’s seat. Roll over bar can be welded or bolted to the roof. 4. Sidebars individually can be no longer than 60 in. Including the thickness of dash and seat pipe. 5. You may run 2 bars from the roll over bar to the dash bar or firewall for safety. 6. You may run a gas tank protector, the protector must flow with cage and be floating, it can be no wider than 30 inches outside diameter and must be at least 6 inches away from rear packing tray. This is to protect the gas tank only, not reinforce the car!
BODY: cars must be stripped of all flammable materials. ALL SUN ROOFS MUST BE COVERED WITH METAL. 1. Outer Door seams may be welded solid, including the tops of doors. 4inch x1/4inch inch strapping max. (NO WELDING INTERNAL DOOR SEAMS). Doors must be at least wired or chained shut. 2. No post cars may run 4inch x1/4 inch thick strap up door seam and 6inches onto the roof. 3. Body Mounts may be changed with 3/4inch bolts with a 6 inch plate may be added, top side only. All cars may add 2 extra body mounts, these may be added to framed and unibody cars. 4. All body mount bolts and nuts must be inside frame, no plates or nuts outside of frame. 5. Fenders, trunk lid, quarters and doors maybe peened, this is only to enhance the original OEM factory body lines. Any change in direction, making new ones, folding of them or welding them will result in cutting them off or pounding them in. 6. Quarters must remain in original upright position. Tail light openings, must remain open. 7. Speaker tray must stay in the car, but can be pushed down. 8. No welding of body to the frame! 9. A 12 in. hole must be cut in hood above carburetor. Half hoods on car are OK. If no hood, no fan on motor. If fan blades become exposed, car is disqualified. 10. Hood is allowed (6) ¾ rod with 4 inch washers. If using wire or chain, you can use 6 locations. Hood Hinges are not counted as a fastener. 11. (8) 3/8inch bolts with 1 ½ washers may be used to hold hood to hood liner. 12. Core Support may be bolted down with All thread 3/4 in. maximum may be ran thru core support next to radiator only, one on each side. They can go thru the hood. 13. May weld core support seams but nothing past radiator, core support cannot be welded to frame or bumper. 14. 2x2 core support spacer may be added. They may be welded to the factory OE M mount on frame, bracket on the bumper shock or top of the frame. It cannot be welded to the bottom or any other location on the core support. A washer can be welded to the top of the core support for cars that rods don’t go through the core support. 15. Fender wells may be trimmed, a max of 4 bolts 5/16ths or smaller per wheel opening or 41/2 inch long stich welds. 16. No internal bracing of body. No interior seam welding on any body panels. 17. Drivers door can have can have a bar welded or bolted to the exterior of the door; nothing can protrude or be sharp. Cannot be more than 6 inches past door seams. 18. Rear window can have one bar, no wider than 3 inches. Bar can be welded or bolted to sheet metal only and can only be secured 2 inches on trunk lid and 2 inches on roof. Bar must be in center of window only. Sedans only. 19. Firewalls must be in original place with no extra metal or weld added. Drivers are encouraged to cover holes with a rubber material to prevent hot fluids from getting into the drivers compartment.
TRUNKS: 1. A 12 in. hole must appear in trunk lid. Tail light areas must remain open. 2. No wedged cars. 3. Trunk lids may be fastened shut by welding, wire, chain or bolts. Must choose one method. 4. If welding, you may use 3inch wide x1/4 inch strap all the way around the trunk. 5. If wired, max of 8 places with unlimited amount of wire. 6. If chained, chain in 8 places. 7. You may bolt the trunk using (4) 3/4inch rods with 6 inch plates through the frame. 8. If not welding truck lid or running bolts through the frame, 20 bolts may be used to the lid to the drip rail ledge lip. 9.Can use (8) 3/8inch bolts with 1 1/2inch washers to hold the inner and exterior trunk lid together. 10. Trunks may be "V'd" in the center but the back quarters must remain in the stock position. . Quarter panel may not be bent over trunk lid. Trunk lid must remain on top of the rain rails. 11. Speaker trays may be beat down, but they may not be altered with weld. 12. You may weld a washer to the body where your wire or bolt is going to go through the body. Washer may be no larger than 2in x 2in. The washer may only be welded to the panel in which the wire is running through. 13. WAGONS: You may weld the tail gate closed in the same manner and use (2) 2x4x1/4 thick plates that may be added from tailgate to bumper cover. (2) 3/4inch bolts with 2 ½ inch washers can be used to hold inner and outer tailgate together. Rear decking must be removed in wagons!
BUMPERS: 1. Any year car bumper may be used. You may load bumpers. Instead of a factory bumper, you may use a single piece of hollow square steel tube as a bumper. Maximum size of tube is 3 inch x 3 inch square cross section, 6 feet long, ¼ inch wall thickness.. MUST be one single piece, flat across with no countour. Factory skin must be added to appear as a “stock” bumper. Must be mounted using methods described for standard bumper. 2. The bumper may be welded in one of the following manners. Bumper welded to shock plate with a single bead of weld. The shock may then be welded to the shock plate and welded in frame, or weld bumper to the end of the frame with a single bead of weld (hard nose). Third option weld the OEM bracket with the shock on it to the side, contour it and weld it on. Pick one of the three. 3. Any car bumper bracket may be used. Bumper bracket cannot touch the A-Arm. No homemade bumper brackets allowed. If using a bracket on outside of frame there can be nothing inside of frame (bumper shock). 4. If no welding is performed on the bumper, shock or brackets, you can have 4 loops of 3/8inch chain or 8 strands of wire through or around bumper and around top of core support. 5. Maximum bumper height is 22 in. to bottom of bumper, minimum is 14 in.
SUSPENSION: 1. Front suspension maybe welded solid. This may be done by bolting the upper control arm or welding one 3x6x1/4 thick plate from the upper control arm to the top of the frame only. 2. Rear suspension needs to be working. 3. No leafing coil spring cars 4. You may weld top and bottom of coil springs to hold them in. 5. Any 5 or 8 lug rear-end may be used, full floaters are allowed 6. Leaf spring mounts may be moved under the frame, but shackle must bolt through the frame, not welded to it and must be a swinging style shackle. 7. Max of 3/4inch U-Bolt thickness. 8. On leaf spring cars, no more than 7 leaves per side and must stair step in length at least 2 inches front and back. . No Flat springs. No leafs on top of main leaf. No leafs thicker than 3/8inch. Max leaf length is 65inches, minimum leaf length is 53inches. 9. Only 8 leaf clamps per side of car. These clamps can be no wider than 1 1/2 inch wide steel with 3/8 inch bolts and leafs cannot be welded together. 10. Upper and lower rear Control arms may be reinforced, No homemade control arms. 11. Nothing can run from frame or body to the leaf spring or leaf spring area. May not chain humps. 12. On leaf spring cars utilizing the whole OEM package, including springs, clamps, hangers and U-Bolts, you can place a chain from the snout of the rear end and bolt it to the floor pan above. 13. 98-02 FOMOCO’S may replace rear packing tray with 1997 and older to mount rear end Nothing Added (no added metal weld in only) or may use fabricated brackets no thicker than 1/8” that bolt to packing tray and weld on frame for front trailing arm mounts or 1997 and older front trailing arm mounts to use older style 4 link mounting. Uppers and spindles may be swapped.
2017 Driver Conduct Rules: 1. Drivers must have car thru tech before drivers meeting. 2. Drivers must be present at the drivers meeting. 3. Drivers must obey all R&W Promotions LLC, rules and Racetrack safety rules. 4. No alcohol may be consumed at any event. 5. All drivers must wear a minimum of DOT approved helmet, safety glasses, long pants, and long sleeve shirts. All of this must be worn at all times on the track. 6. Drivers are to remain in their cars until the event is stopped. 7. Drivers may start the event facing any direction. Depending on track size cars may be told they cannot make a full track shot at the drop of the green flag, this is for safety reasons. 8. Drivers that are still in an event may not exit their car under red flag. If your feet touch the dirt, you are out. (Unless there is a safety issue) 9. Drivers must stop under red flag conditions. Any driver making an intentional hit after the red flag will be disqualified. 10. Any driver making a full track shot to the driver’s side of the car, no part of your bumper may touch the driver’s door during the hit. 11. No driver’s door hits. 12. Intentional rollovers will not be tolerated. If you hit a car and it rolls over, that is legal. If you get a car up in the air and push him across the track to roll him over, you will be disqualified for the event. If you get a car in the air, stop then drive the opposite direction to get the car off. If car rolls over during this, you will not be disqualified. 13. Drivers must make an aggressive hit every 30 seconds. Cars that have stalled will be given 1 min. to get their car restarted and make contact. 14. Any driver making an intentional hit on a car with a broke stick will be disqualified. 15. No team driving. Team driving is holding and hitting. If you are setting against a car and pull away at the very last second, that is also considered team driving. 16. The car to make the last hit is the winner. NO PIN TO WIN! If 2 cars get hung on the last hit, we will separate the cars 1 time. 17. No fighting anywhere on the property where the event is held at. You will go to jail and be bared for the season. 18. No profanity or obscene gestures. (Kids are everywhere be an adult!) 19. You are in charge of your crewmembers, even if you are on the track. If they break any safety or procedure rules, you will be disqualified. This includes throwing of objects towards the track. 20. If you are disqualified from an event, you forfeit all winnings for the night. 21. Judges decision is final.
CARS PERMITTED: Any stock two or four door, hardtop, sedan, hatchback, or station wagon, front or rear wheel drive car, with a maximum wheel base of 104 inches from center of front hub to center of rear hub. Any 4, 5 or 6 cylinder engines as factory equipped. "Stock" means manufacturer showroom equipped. No extra welding, pre-bending or strengthening will be permitted, see all exceptions noted below.
1. DOORS: weld, chain, or wire in maximum 3 places per vertical seam. If welding, total of 12" weld per vertical seam permitted (that's three 4" welds per vertical seam for the mathematically challenged, don't test it unless you like cutting in the pits).
2. DRIVER’S COMPARTMENT: Reinforcements are permitted inside the driver‘s compartment to address safety concerns only, not to strengthen the chassis. A roll cage, 4 point cage/roll over bar or door-to-door bar are permitted and recommended but not required. Reinforcements cannot be secured to the frame/unibody frame or extend into the back seat area. Bars touching the floor can be secured to floor pans only. It is the inspector's discretion as to whether you cross the bounds of safety vs. reinforcement and you may be asked to make changes. Driver’s door padding is recommended.
3. GAS TANK: May remain stock in factory position if mounted in front of rear axle, OR if using a modified tank it must be steel or tank must be in a steel box securely mounted in the CENTER of the backseat area, covered with a metal firewall. No rubber tie downs permitted. If using an electric fuel pump, it must shut off with ignition/toggle switch mounted within reach of the driver and must clearly labeled with “ON” and OFF”.
4. BRAKES: All cars MUST have brakes in good operating condition.
5. BUMPERS: Any year car bumper may be used. Instead of a factory bumper, you may use a single piece of hollow square steel tube as a bumper. Maximum size of tube is 3 inch x 3 inch square cross section, ¼ inch wall thickness.. MUST be one single piece, flat across with no countours. Factory skin must be added to appear as a “stock” bumper. Must be mounted using methods described for standard bumper. You may bolt bumper to the frame with a limit of four 3/8" bolts per side, and/or weld the bumper with 8 inches of weld total. Bumper may be chained to the frame by welding/bolting, using ¼ link by 12inches long maximum size.
6. ENGINE: Any make or model providing same cylinder size is used. MOTOR MOUNTS: Engine may be secured to the frame by any method that does not strengthen any other components.
7. HOOD/TRUNK: each must be tied down in maximum 4 positions after inspection, using #9 wire or ¼ inch diameter chain on each. FIRE REGULATION: One hole is required in the hood for fires, minimum of 12 inches in diameter. TRUNK LID may be cut or removed. If kept on car, must have a 12inch hole in trunk lid for inspection. Avoid excessive prebending or you will be asked to change it during inspection. NO BODY PEENING. If in doubt, call ahead or don't do it. The stock look of the cars is to be maintained.
8. SUSPENSION: Suspension MUST be stock, and move up and down freely. Car MUST sit at stock height, (maximum 20 inches from the ground to the center of the front and rear bumper.) Frozen shocks are illegal. Coil springs may be wired or tack welded by mount, leaf springs must remain stock.
9. FRAME: Must remain stock, exception, may be notched in the rear portion of the frame behind the rear axle.
10. TIRES: a. Must be a rubber tire 13inches in size or bigger. Valve stem protectors are OK.. Doubled tires are ok. No bead locks.
11. One car battery. Car battery must be relocated to the passenger side floor, it must secured and covered. b. All air bags must be disconnected and removed.
12. TRANSMISSION: Any make or model. May be modified, providing support bracket is stock (Example: If original support was bolted new support must be bolted) with no reinforcements, rubber transmission mount must be stock. Shifter may be modified. Transmission lines may be bypassed; transmission cooler must remain under the body/hood. Any car driveshaft may be used except slider type.
13. DIFFERENTIALS: May be modified.
14. EXHAUST PIPES: MAY remain STOCK and extend beyond the driver‘s seat. Muffler and converter must be removed. Cars may have stacks coming through hood.
15. FENDERS AND INNER / OUTER WHEEL WELLS: MUST be in place, minimum clearancing is permitted, don't get carried away. Plastic inner wheel wells may be removed.
16. Dash board may be removed; all sharp edges must be covered.
17. GLASS: All glass MUST be removed, including headlights, plastic taillights, bulbs, mirrors and windshield. Broken glass anywhere in the car (doors, body panels, trunk, etc.) must be removed or the car will not be admitted. All cars must have 2 steel straps mounted in front windshield area.
18. HEATING/COOLING SYSTEM: a. Radiator may be bypassed, but if used must remain in original position with no reinforcement. All antifreeze must be drained and replaced with water. b. Heater system may be bypassed or removed. c. Freon MUST be removed from ALL air conditioning units per Federal Regulations.
19. IGNITION SWITCH: (HOT WIRING) Complete ignition switch may be relocated, if using a toggle switch must have “ON” and OFF” labeled on switch.
20. INTERIOR/EXTERIOR: a. ALL carpet, visors and both rear seat cushions MUST be removed. If front passenger seat is removed, a bar must be installed from the driver’s door to the passenger door, directly behind the front seat for extra support. b. Fiberglass/plastic front/rear clip and grill parts and all loose materials, mirrors, wheel covers, sharp hood ornaments, trailer hitch/hitch brackets and all soft chrome molding MUST be removed. c. All dirt and loose pieces of glass MUST be swept / vacuumed out of car and doors. d. Door handles may be left on the car.
21. ROOF: All sunroofs must have glass removed and covered/fastened with sheet metal of same strength as roof material. Vinyl roof cover may be removed.
I looked back at last year bumper rule and realized what was posted was from 2015 so the bumper rule on full size has been corrected. My bad on proof reading and copy and pasting. Make sure to read this rule carefully if any questions let me know. Thanks
Not trying to start any drama or anything like that, and I plan on copying this to the Kinston thread as well, but I think it's sort of ridiculous to allow 8 lugs but not full braced rears for multiple reasons.
First - To convert to 8 lug you are asking guys to spend extra money to get there rim packages switched over. No rim I know of for an 8 lug comes in a 15" or 14" size.
Second - What is breaking on cars are axles not tubes. So allowing a stock 8 lug is still better than a braced 10 bolt. The axle tubes are thicker, and the axles themselves are full float and thicker.
Third - to get an 8 lug to fit under a car it will take welding to the tubes to set this up, plus if you run a pinion brake you are connecting the tubes anyways.
Fourth - A 5 lug full floater is allowed, so what stops a guy from running a 9" ford with aftermarket or homemade axle tubes that are twice as thick as a stock 9"
Anyway you look at it, if you allow 8 lugs and full float conversions, you should go ahead and allow fully braced rears.
NOT-C JO - stands for you hope to "Not see jo" with your old lady.....enjoy thinking about that one...........
Post by renegade383 on Jan 25, 2017 21:18:34 GMT -5
I never said anything about u Nate. I could give two shits less about u guys now. U guys got a taste of ur own medicine and I think one got a little more than he bargained for. I was asking to see if they were going to stick to the rules.