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Post by T-Brell on Oct 25, 2016 9:23:57 GMT -5
UPDATE: Everything is now in alphabetical order! yay! I also added "cross member", "banger racing", and "bubble Lumina". I moved the generic car terms from the car list to the definition list, ones that don't really pertain to any certain make/model.
One thing we could maybe work on is an abbreviation list since there's so many of them, and a past/present promoter list and where they're based out of. We could also do a list of all the "national" size demo derby events across this continent.
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Post by fulltrackzach55 on Dec 13, 2016 19:02:22 GMT -5
floater rear end ? couldn't find a definition of it.
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Post by fulltrackzach55 on Dec 13, 2016 19:22:50 GMT -5
floater rear end ? couldn't find a definition of it. www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFu-6tckyc8 I didn't watch very much of that, but it seems like he does a pretty good job of explaining it. Thanks
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Post by faithfulcmm1972 on Oct 22, 2017 17:59:06 GMT -5
I am referencing Action Auto Promotions mid-size semi-stock rules from 2017. Part of it states : *Hoods and trunks: 4 spots max, 2 minimum. 4 chains (24"), 4 spots wire (4 loops) maximum. Or 2 rods up to 3/4” through core support and frame only in that location, and 2 chains or wire. 2 3” pieces angle on fender and hood with 1 3/8” bolt will also be ok to use. 12" round or square hole cut in case of fire. Trunks 4 chains (24”), or 4 spots wire( 4 loops), or 4 plates 6” long by 3” wide by 1/4” thick, or 2 3/4” rods mounted vertically with 2 additional spots from above choices, chain, wire or 2 plates. All hood and trunk plates to not exceed 6x6x 1/4”, __NO body forming__, but you will be allowed 1 90 degree bend in trunk lid. no more than 50% of lid.
My question is of the phrase " __NO body forming__" Does that mean that no creasing is allowed? I am planning for my first build and derby run and I want to make sure that I dont do anything I should not. Thanks for your help!
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Post by Landshark007 on Oct 22, 2017 18:22:38 GMT -5
I am referencing Action Auto Promotions mid-size semi-stock rules from 2017. Part of it states : *Hoods and trunks: 4 spots max, 2 minimum. 4 chains (24"), 4 spots wire (4 loops) maximum. Or 2 rods up to 3/4” through core support and frame only in that location, and 2 chains or wire. 2 3” pieces angle on fender and hood with 1 3/8” bolt will also be ok to use. 12" round or square hole cut in case of fire. Trunks 4 chains (24”), or 4 spots wire( 4 loops), or 4 plates 6” long by 3” wide by 1/4” thick, or 2 3/4” rods mounted vertically with 2 additional spots from above choices, chain, wire or 2 plates. All hood and trunk plates to not exceed 6x6x 1/4”, __NO body forming__, but you will be allowed 1 90 degree bend in trunk lid. no more than 50% of lid. My question is of the phrase " __NO body forming__" Does that mean that no creasing is allowed? I am planning for my first build and derby run and I want to make sure that I dont do anything I should not. Thanks for your help! I would say no creasing
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Post by T-Brell on Dec 1, 2017 9:42:51 GMT -5
Full Floater and Semi-Floater added to definitions.
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Post by dean88 on Dec 1, 2017 10:22:08 GMT -5
Full Floater and Semi-Floater added to definitions. Im not trying to be an A-hole, but those aren't good definitions. Full Floaters rarely have both ends of the axle splined. Generally any full floater that would be used in a derby, the axle shaft would be splined on one end and the drive flange is built to the shaft. Typically the only axles you see with splines on both ends are garbage 2 piece axles like the D44s in the 60s and older which are semi float. Full Float refers to the fact the axle shaft "floats" inside the axle tube and does not support any of the weight of the vehicle. You can pull the shafts out of a full floater with the vehicle on the ground and tires still on it. A Semi-floater uses the axle shaft to support the weight of the vehicle, it doesn't matter if it axle is held in by c-clips or bolt in bearings.
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Post by redneckracing12 on Dec 3, 2017 21:29:21 GMT -5
Full Floater and Semi-Floater added to definitions. Im not trying to be an A-hole, but those aren't good definitions. Full Floaters rarely have both ends of the axle splined. Generally any full floater that would be used in a derby, the axle shaft would be splined on one end and the drive flange is built to the shaft. Typically the only axles you see with splines on both ends are garbage 2 piece axles like the D44s in the 60s and older which are semi float. Full Float refers to the fact the axle shaft "floats" inside the axle tube and does not support any of the weight of the vehicle. You can pull the shafts out of a full floater with the vehicle on the ground and tires still on it. A Semi-floater uses the axle shaft to support the weight of the vehicle, it doesn't matter if it axle is held in by c-clips or bolt in bearings. 99.9% of all full floating rears used in races cars have shafts splined on both ends and use a splined drive flange or a splined hub.
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Post by dean88 on Dec 3, 2017 21:35:08 GMT -5
^Yessir. But that's why I was referring to full floaters that you would see in a derby car. Those custom racing rears aren't known for their beef. I just don't want a newbie to get a junk 2 piece axle D44 confused for a good D60.
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Post by T-Brell on Dec 5, 2017 13:07:45 GMT -5
Full Floater and Semi-Floater added to definitions. Im not trying to be an A-hole, but those aren't good definitions. Full Floaters rarely have both ends of the axle splined. Generally any full floater that would be used in a derby, the axle shaft would be splined on one end and the drive flange is built to the shaft. Typically the only axles you see with splines on both ends are garbage 2 piece axles like the D44s in the 60s and older which are semi float. Full Float refers to the fact the axle shaft "floats" inside the axle tube and does not support any of the weight of the vehicle. You can pull the shafts out of a full floater with the vehicle on the ground and tires still on it. A Semi-floater uses the axle shaft to support the weight of the vehicle, it doesn't matter if it axle is held in by c-clips or bolt in bearings. Ok, I see where I was wrong on the full floater, and will change it (typical FWD car guy, lemme tell ya...). But the way you're describing it sounds like every axle is either full or semi float and there's no other type.
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Post by dean88 on Dec 5, 2017 13:10:54 GMT -5
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Post by taterjuice on Dec 6, 2017 19:23:40 GMT -5
wouldn't that technically make a fwd drive axle a floater, Since the axle itself doesn't support any weight ? That's how I'd define them, semi float axles support vehicle weight and full floating doesn't.
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Post by dean88 on Dec 6, 2017 19:25:10 GMT -5
I believe so, same thing with front axles in a 4wd.
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Post by T-Brell on Dec 7, 2017 11:53:22 GMT -5
technically a FWD setup is refered to as a "transaxle" as it is the transmission and axle all in one. The shafts are considered "Half-shafts" as part of the axleshaft is held within the "transaxle". I wouldn't call it a full floater...
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Post by taterjuice on Dec 7, 2017 14:57:37 GMT -5
technically a FWD setup is refered to as a "transaxle" as it is the transmission and axle all in one. The shafts are considered "Half-shafts" as part of the axleshaft is held within the "transaxle". I wouldn't call it a full floater... just putting a thought out there, it is pretty similar to the front end on a 4wd pickup especially one with a ifs.
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