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Post by STROMI 121 on Nov 9, 2013 22:09:37 GMT -5
Cheating is Cheating, we all do it. Speak for yourself there cheater... I dont cheat, I take pride in building the hardest car that the rules allow. You do not have to cheat to win. I have proven my point many times over. Don't include everyone in your lack of integrity mentality. Just because you are a cheater, does not mean everyone else is. In my honest opinion, cheaters are exactly what is wrong with our sport. Everytime a rookie shows to the hometown derby and builds a car to the rules, some cheater destroys him in a couple hits. Unfortuneately, then he never runs again. Do you understand the problem here? Here is another problem with the cheaters mentality. If you cheat on your derby car then you might as well cheat on your wife and taxes too right? Then while you are at it, you might as well file some bogus disability claims and get some government assistance that you dont deserve. Then you will likely qualify for some food stamps and whatever other government handouts you can get. Its no wonder that 51% of Americans get some sort of government assistance. |
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Post by STROMI 121 on Nov 9, 2013 23:16:24 GMT -5
Another thing that blows my mind. We had an outlaw derby a while back where just about anything goes as was clearly stated in the rules. Ironically, the many of the well known cheaters in the state made up various excuses why they could not run. Its obvious to me that most cheaters only want to cheat when they think they can gain an unfair advantage against legal cars. If they know it will be a level playing field, they stay home...
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Post by maddmaxx on Nov 10, 2013 17:53:17 GMT -5
Another thing that blows my mind. We had an outlaw derby a while back where just about anything goes as was clearly stated in the rules. Ironically, the many of the well known cheaters in the state made up various excuses why they could not run. Its obvious to me that most cheaters only want to cheat when they think they can gain an unfair advantage against legal cars. If they know it will be a level playing field, they stay home... Pefectly Said dude !! Another thing that piss's me off about outlaw/mod builds.Put all this time to make one hard a$$ car and go out in the arena and just bump each other.Granted it does hit the body badly,but come on you built it hard,use the dam thing. |
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Post by xcody38x on Nov 10, 2013 23:43:41 GMT -5
temper the subframe over a nice big hot fire then drag it into a pond.
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Post by dm440c on Nov 11, 2013 11:43:17 GMT -5
Another thing that blows my mind. We had an outlaw derby a while back where just about anything goes as was clearly stated in the rules. Ironically, the many of the well known cheaters in the state made up various excuses why they could not run. Its obvious to me that most cheaters only want to cheat when they think they can gain an unfair advantage against legal cars. If they know it will be a level playing field, they stay home... I had to chuckle a little when I read this... I'm not going to go any further into that particular deep dark thicket with you but I will say I had wondered something similar many times with regards to the now defunct derby at Salisbury. For years it was a defacto "run what ya brung" show but it always seemed to be the same few people out there on the track with us every year... If more of the people who like to build super hard cars with a full compliment of protectors, sliders, and kickers had come out there to run with us, that show would still be around. |
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Post by STROMI 121 on Nov 11, 2013 15:16:13 GMT -5
The point wasn't who was or who was not there, just that typically cheaters only run and thrive where they think they can have an unfair advantage. At the end of the day the promoters are just as wrong as the cheaters for allowing it to progress every year until it becomes out of control. Its caused by lack of integrity by the drivers/car builders and an even bigger lack of integrity on the promoters part. The biggest victim in all of it are the rookies/newbees who get scared off from our sport because of the outcome.
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Post by STROMI 121 on Nov 11, 2013 15:21:28 GMT -5
And in case my feelings on the subject were not crystal clear.....it pisses me off.
We need rookies in our sport or else we will be left talking about "remember when we use to derby"
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Post by RedneckRampage11 on Nov 11, 2013 16:10:01 GMT -5
Well said, both of ya. I've been derbying for 13yrs. most of it was just chain & bang at the close local derbies. And I'm proud to say, I've never cheated. I'd rather go have fun, & try to put on a show with my bubble gum'd car (if it will stay running long enough.) LOL  I have never won a derby, but I wouldn't want to win with a cheated car. Guess I have too much of a conscience. LOL I would rather come underbuilt, & have a blast, rather than get the reputation of always having to cut something off after inspection. Then again I've never been over competitive like the guys that shot steroids in high school football either. LOL |
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Post by seventyonehemicuda on Nov 11, 2013 16:14:55 GMT -5
And in case my feelings on the subject were not crystal clear.....it pisses me off. We need rookies in our sport or else we will be left talking about "remember when we use to derby" Exactly... those days are over... I have yet to ever win, I have placed everything but 1st... so if I am a "cheater" its fair to say that I suck at it. I'm looking to win. a stock car won't beat a stuffed car unless the engine is weak to begin with... unless a car is built to the absolute limit these days, its gonna loose. welding from the fire wall forward is quickly translated into removing the entire sub frame and re welding the entire thing... of course that's not cheating is it ?.... I like to push the limits, build the best car possible, but I have yet to "Cheat" that's gonna change though when I run in Humboldt this spring. there is a group of 3-4 guys that have won this race for the last 10+ years. most of em run the same cars 3-4 years in a row... I'm looking to take one of these guys down. As Much as I am sure that sending Each of them a heart felt letter about how they are hurting the sport is gonna change things... It aint gonna happen I'm just honest. If half the people on this forum were completely honest, you'd have a lot of venting to do. |
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Post by chevycrusher60 on Nov 11, 2013 16:39:08 GMT -5
gotta cheat to eat!...im so numb to the fact off running against stuffed cars it dont bother me, not saying I build the most legal cars, but its not my fault the tech guy don't know what he is looking for, just remember every car still has driveline to fail, weakest point of any car stuffed or not is the front wheels!! get after em and wound them then pound em!!! this is racing/derbyin where cheating is part of the culture and if set your car up to not fail no matter how bent that whore is you will get close to the top every time
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Post by runinoutofgas on Nov 11, 2013 16:53:08 GMT -5
And in case my feelings on the subject were not crystal clear.....it pisses me off. We need rookies in our sport or else we will be left talking about "remember when we use to derby" exactly, after i hang it up in few (maybe 10) years i would like to go and watch a derby |
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Post by seventyonehemicuda on Nov 11, 2013 18:50:49 GMT -5
Tears and hurt feelings aside...
has anyone had any luck with high density spray foam? |
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Post by chevycrusher60 on Nov 11, 2013 21:11:16 GMT -5
i would say best bet on cheating and getting away with it would be pinning the frame...I have never done it but told by tech guys it can still be hard to find even with scope...or set up wised with a shocker get yourself a cradle and a trans saddle and get that trans saddle tight to cross member if rules allow that will help take the stress off the "S" behind the a arms...otherwise dp to firewall and tie motor down in as many spots as allowed.
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Post by seventyonehemicuda on Nov 12, 2013 7:53:57 GMT -5
chevchrusher,
There are no scopes at this particular derby
I could see pinning the front sub frame on a mopar, but how would one do it on the rest of the car? I mean its just a 3 sided frame. tac welded to a sheet metal body..
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Post by outlaw4 on Oct 29, 2020 22:05:52 GMT -5
Well I’ve read just about all the threads and all i can say is most of the people that call the people cheaters that win don’t realize that it’s the little things you do that makes your vehicle tough we get called cheaters pretty often but we don’t cheat just drive smart put time into building your car to the rules like we have a guy here that complains that he never wins that I’m kind of friends with and he twist fuel pump wires together for fuel pump you can’t half a$$ stuff like that put a toggle switch there or even a house light switch works great move the. Computer if your allowed keep in your head your going in to win if not you will build junk THE WORST THING I HEAR PEOPLE SAY IS ITS ONLY GOT TO LAST 5 MINUTES
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