w900
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Post by w900 on Oct 28, 2013 20:54:48 GMT -5
COME LOOK AT THE CAR AND LETS END THIS, IT'S STILL SITTING IN THE SAME SPOT IN THE SAME CONDITION SINCE THE DAY AFTER THE DERBY MINUS THE REAR END. I KNOW THERE ARE JUST A FEW WHINING ABOUT THE CAR AND THERE THE SAME WHINERS THAT WHINE EVERY JUNE AND AUGUST. IT'S THE SAME STORY OVER AND OVER THE WINNERS ARE ALWAYS THE CHEATERS IN THE WHINERS EYES. YOU DON'T LIVE TO FAR FROM HERE SO GRAB JAMES AND COME OUT. P.S MY WIFE UNDERSTANDS MORE ABOUT THIS THAN MOST AND SHE JUST SAID THAT'S THE BABY CAR. OH AND IF YOU DO COME DOWN HAUL SOME OF MY CARS DOWN FOR ME THAT WOULD SAME ME SOME TIME.
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Post by rarebreed on Oct 29, 2013 4:31:12 GMT -5
All the winners are either sandbaggers or cheaters.
Do I win twice if I do both?
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Post by maddmaxx on Oct 29, 2013 17:58:55 GMT -5
w900: Personally I don't care if it weighs 10,000 lbs or what ever is done to your ride.Just stating a fact from my past of almost 3 decades of wrecking cars.I've ran bone stock,semi stock,compact,trucks,mod and outlaw cars.When 2 hard cars hit they make a thud.Hell I'd add more if they can't find it(lmao).
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Post by bilt on Oct 29, 2013 18:43:18 GMT -5
Can a mid 70's Mopar be legally built, make hard hits all night, and the nose not go sky high. Yes. If the builder knows what he is doing it can. These cars can be some of the hardest "legally" built cars IMO. You just have to know the little secrets to building them and those people which do know them don't give them out. Best way to learn is to buy one and build it. You'll be impressed with how hard these cars are. Barclay Wilt
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Post by w900 on Oct 29, 2013 18:52:59 GMT -5
I HAVE RUN AND STILL HAVE A COUPLE HARD CARS SITTING AROUND THAT'S I WHY DON'T UNDERSTAND SOME OF THESE PEOPLE. IF THEY SEE SOMETHING DIFFERENT OR THEY DIDN'T THINK OF IT THEY THINK IT'S WRONG. I GET THE SAME SET OF RULES AND READ THEM THE SAME WAY. IT'S FRUSTRATING IT HAPPEN'S TWICE A YEAR EVERY YEAR. IF YOU RAN THIS DERBY JUST ONE TIME YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND, ALOT OF PEOPLE DON'T RUN HERE ANYMORE JUST FOR THIS REASON. AFTER THEY GET BEAT DOWN THEY WHINE TO THE PROMOTER AND HE CHANGES THE RULES THE FOLLOWING YEAR THIS HAPPENS LIKE CLOCK WORK. TO ME THEY ARE GOING BACKWARDS WITH THE RULES, THEY ARE TRYING TO GET MORE PEOPLE INTO THIS SPORT BUT CARS ARE HARD TO FIND AND NOT CHEAP. MOST CARS GET RUINED IN ONE DERBY AND THAT IS BACKWARDS. IF THEY WOULD LET MORE BE DONE TO THE CARS MORE TIME IS SPENT CARS SEEM TO RUN BETTER AND PUT ON A MUCH BETTER SHOW. THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE BUILD TO EXTREME TO HAVE THESE RESULTS. BUT THIS DERBY IS ON ITS WAY TO BEING A CHAIN UP.
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Post by bilt on Oct 29, 2013 19:26:56 GMT -5
I help with our local derby which had six cars two years ago. A few of us drivers went to the fair board and gave them some suggestions to help with the show. They asked us to stay on board and help get the show pointed in the right direction. We chose to go back to the basics of demo derby. Bolt/chain or unlimited nine wire. We then inspected the cars ourselves and brought in a group of judges from out of the area and not afraid to enforce the rules. After this show we drove in the normal derbies we always do. At the end of the season we had three more derbies want to run the same rules as ours next year. The key is to keep the cars fair.
We were spending all winter building cars and junking them in one derby. This year the longest we spent building a car was two weeks. We spend half the money now and my 1978 Grand Marquis lasted three derbies with six heats total. And I can still run it. But when I see a 70's mopar, Cordoba, or a 74-76 Chevy. I stay away from it because they are legally hard cars.
A 74 New Yorker took money in all the local derbies this year. The builder/driver just knows how to build it. He is a friend of mine and the car was built in four days. Of course he is accused of cheating it. The typical (pinned subs, imperial subs, plated frame). He doesn't even run a distributor protector. He has just learned how to build it. Then, as the rules normally say, four 1/8th plates for the frame. For people who know these cars you know there are two certain areas to put these plates. The rules just made your car almost impossible to bend. For those who don't know where to put the plates...look at the New Yorkers which have been ran before and the plates will all be in the same spot on all the cars.
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Post by w900 on Oct 29, 2013 20:08:36 GMT -5
I'm not sure whats going to happen with the welded class here, we didn't run this year but we did watch. What I seen happen in the june derby I know will cost them one drive becasue of the b.s. I talked to him at a differnet derby and he was not impressed. The august derby was not that great to watch except for the compact class that made the derby. Depending on the rules that get thrown out this next year I might run, they didn't like the last car and I'm sure they won't like the next one
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Post by cowdoc on Oct 29, 2013 20:51:42 GMT -5
I'll haul a car down sometime this winter as I bought a new yorker down there I've gotta go get. Let me know which one. Might not be until December when cow work is a little slower. I figured you just leave them by my back yard to torture me!
James has never said a bad word about you guys or your cars and if you say your next one will be legal that's good enough for me. James won't even inspect my car as he says he'd rather not know anything about the other cars lol.
I didn't intend this to be a whiner post, just had my ego bruised and have never understood these cars so was trying to fish for some secrets. I've gotten a lot of pm's about this post and there's a lot I didn't know about these cars to make them so hard so I can believe your cars aren't what I felt they might be and I sure don't want to offend you any more than I already have by inspecting your car. I appreciate the offer. I'm amazed how many people that pm'd me think they're harder than imps when built right. I'm going to try one more with some of the ideas I've gathered, just not sure where yet.
I have never gone to Donny and complained. He was there when I was bitching directly to you after that one derby and I regret that. I never whined even during the imp years when I kept getting smashed right out of the money to your 3 imps. I have come down 14 times from out of town by myself with no real allies just because I love this shit. I think I'm jinxed there but keep going back because I always have fun and I'd like to end some of the drama now by apologizing. I do wish you guys would come back and run even if you do put the smackdown on my iron.
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Post by bilt on Oct 29, 2013 22:44:33 GMT -5
1. I'm impressed that you are giving a public apology. This sport needs A LOT more of that. I give you very much respect for that. 2. There are a lot of cars built in the "grey" area or even in the darker grey area. That's what kills this sport. When you talk to someone who has built a cheated car (my hand is raised) they will tell you they have to in order to compete because other cars will be cheated too. I've been there and done that. 3. I saw an evolution at the shows I was at this year. 100 percent zero fights and zero drama. Why? Because the cars being ran were all pretty fair within the rules. 4. Promotors take notes! Best way to run a successful derby is to enforce your rules. The best inspectors are the ones who have built a cheated car and know what to look for. If you don't know what you are looking at your wasting everyone's time and when someone dominates a derby and rules are not enforced, you'll have heated tempers in the pits. 5. Like I told you in the pm...those who know the legal tricks do not advertise how to do it but 70's Mopars can be some of the best "legal" cars built.
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Post by dm440c on Oct 31, 2013 12:28:02 GMT -5
3. I saw an evolution at the shows I was at this year. 100 percent zero fights and zero drama. Why? Because the cars being ran were all pretty fair within the rules. 4. Promotors take notes! Best way to run a successful derby is to enforce your rules. The best inspectors are the ones who have built a cheated car and know what to look for. If you don't know what you are looking at your wasting everyone's time and when someone dominates a derby and rules are not enforced, you'll have heated tempers in the pits. these two points in particular should be highlighted from your post. Totally agree.
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