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Post by joker14 on Aug 23, 2011 16:50:59 GMT -5
What year 5 speeds will bolt up to these? My bad, i thought you were talking about factory stuff. I do know Tremec and TKO make 5 speeds for the LS block. They are about 3500 just for the gear box. G-Force make a trans for them too and i think they are about $6000. Just talked to the prototype there 2 weeks ago about giving me one. Also try Tex Powell, Jerico and Richmond. They are about the best in the business for gear boxes. Also Mid Valley Transmissions for all you left coasters.
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Post by blackmopar21 on Aug 23, 2011 16:55:42 GMT -5
well i saw that at least 98 and up camaros with 3.8's had 5 speeds. Maybe a six speed bell would bolt up??? Only downfall is how long a 3.8 5 speed would last.....
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Post by Black333 on Aug 23, 2011 17:10:34 GMT -5
I.M.O. all the (factory) 5 and 6 speeds are junk. Unless you gotta lotta $$$ to upgrade
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Post by joker14 on Aug 23, 2011 18:16:02 GMT -5
I.M.O. all the (factory) 5 and 6 speeds are junk. Unless you gotta lotta $$$ to upgrade Correct, thats why i stated the companies in the previous post. Those are the only trans I would derby. The 3.8 5 speed stuff puts you back in the same boat is the saganaw, muncie and borg warner stuff. Im working on a budget t-5, t-10 custom fit deal. They are good trans and are dime a dozen. Only one part left to fit.
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Post by blackmopar21 on Aug 23, 2011 19:07:35 GMT -5
So I was reading into centerforce, what I'm getting from on they're page they can make clutches to fit your application. So all I would have to make is a bellhousing adapter to go from the ls to the 3 speed correct
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Post by dusto on Aug 23, 2011 20:18:03 GMT -5
for "hp" and "ultra hp" is the model of holly carb i take it you just are useing a plain holly 750
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Post by bigpoppa on Aug 24, 2011 1:07:14 GMT -5
The reason I said hotcam is because they're becoming more and more common because people are buying custom cut cams vs off the shelf. I found my hotcam for 100 bucks so not really a deal breaker for me. The problem with the LS motors is they don't make near as much torque down low as the sbc's. Ya need to run tall gears or a stall to get the most out of these motors. I've since changed to a custom cam on a 110lsa on a 108 icl mid 220's/low 230's i/e durations. Much healthier now. If you're going to go with stock cathedral port heads vs rectangular heads, you need to keep a 4-6 degree duration split.
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Post by joker14 on Aug 24, 2011 6:09:49 GMT -5
for "hp" and "ultra hp" is the model of holly carb i take it you just are useing a plain holly 750 Not sure how they can make more power with an "ultra HP" carb but if the marketting guys say its better for you then you better get one asap. ;D I just stick with 750's and blake performance then modifys it wiith genuine holley parts and puts it on the dyno for 8 hrs and dynos it for my specific application. You cant get that from a "ultra hp" carb.
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Post by blackmopar21 on Aug 24, 2011 11:17:39 GMT -5
Hey I read on the old thread that they do have the same traditional bell paterns but one hole isn't tapped. So why won't a 3spd bolt up?
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Post by joker14 on Aug 24, 2011 12:54:11 GMT -5
The reason I said hotcam is because they're becoming more and more common because people are buying custom cut cams vs off the shelf. I found my hotcam for 100 bucks so not really a deal breaker for me. The problem with the LS motors is they don't make near as much torque down low as the sbc's. Ya need to run tall gears or a stall to get the most out of these motors. I've since changed to a custom cam on a 110lsa on a 108 icl mid 220's/low 230's i/e durations. Much healthier now. If you're going to go with stock cathedral port heads vs rectangular heads, you need to keep a 4-6 degree duration split. Really good price on the cam. So what your saying is because the LS engines have no low end torque (comparitevely speaking), put in a cam that removes all of whats left? I dont like my Hot cam at all for derby use, its a piece of sh!t. No low end driveability or power. Runs like a bag of ass or what most guys drool over (lumpy cam sound which to most this means power and cool guy status) The 6.0 H.O. or the 00 LS1 cam is 10x better. Unless you are not talking about derby usage. Then we need to stay on the same page about what we are talking about so guys dont get street squirel stuff mixed up with derby stuff because they are NOT the same. Dont mean to argue just discuss stuff in the open for all to read. Im sure now ill have another -100 carma bs.
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Post by joker14 on Aug 24, 2011 12:56:31 GMT -5
Hey I read on the old thread that they do have the same traditional bell paterns but one hole isn't tapped. So why won't a 3spd bolt up? Not sure anyone said the bell housing wont bolt. What your missig is the flywheel pattern is different, the crankshaft is a different sized and the crankshaft is .650 more forwards that the older stuff. Its not the bell housing but the stuff inside, and i think i have said that before.
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Post by joker14 on Aug 24, 2011 13:03:25 GMT -5
bigpappa, most importnatly, are you talking about carbureted stuff? Cause if not the dyno sheets and the performance is totally different when you take the EFI stuff off of them. They make tons more power and turn a ton more RPM's with a carb.
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Post by blackmopar21 on Aug 24, 2011 13:36:59 GMT -5
Ok I got crossed up with you then. So if I have a clutch made to fit the 3spd and the ls fly I should(generally speaking) be fine?
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Post by joker14 on Aug 24, 2011 15:41:52 GMT -5
Ok I got crossed up with you then. So if I have a clutch made to fit the 3spd and the ls fly I should(generally speaking) be fine? Nope, the clutch for the 3 speed should be fine if youve ran it in there before. The issue still remains with getting a flywheel spaced back and bolted to the crank while leaving the ring gear forward for the starter. Its not an easy task and as of right now, the only company thats close is RAM. They say bolt up and go but its a lie. All their packages still need custom work. I stay very very tight with a LS custom retro shop and they are at the foremost point for LS engines. Trust me, these engines being put into other vehicles is nothing new. They have been out 12 years now and are old news. Why have people not made easier to work with stuff? Becasue most transplant maunal jobs always included the original 5.7 trans. Thats whats popular so thats what sells. For the 700 hp and better engines you go right up to those companies I listed earlier. The only 2 4 speed Muncie conversions and a top loader Ford that I know of were done by a guy named Jim Gorman. He has about $3800 in each one in parts and a ton of hrs. He may be able to help you with the dinasaur trans stuff. His number is 7049051301. You might be able to get him to make you all the stuff you need. he also might know something "new" that i dont know. (highly unlikely) ;D
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Post by blackmopar21 on Aug 24, 2011 22:42:40 GMT -5
So I think I have it figured out....I'm gonna have 10 spline clutch built to fit the 13" ls flywheel, and run a longer pilot bushing with an extended throwout bearing. That should make up for the .650 difference and leave the flywheel in its stock location....?
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