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Post by twisted66 on Nov 9, 2011 1:05:40 GMT -5
ive built a lot and i dont use them at all....save them for other cars... hardnose it and it wont effect the steering or radiator Not trying to be dickish. But by your pictures it looks like you build to a pretty mild set of rules. And your cars always look bent funny. IMO I would rather a car stay solid infront of the a arms and bend in a nice even manor. That way you can pull it down plate it and then it's stronger for the next go around
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Post by fordpowerforever on Nov 9, 2011 11:21:32 GMT -5
some of those cars are a arms forward welding and some are not, some of those cars have every, i mean every seam in the sub rewelded, im talking sub out top and bottom flipped over and done more. and always after the first run they get plated. gotta remember our tracks are big and fast and some on cement so big hits can do some damage in funny ways. and i always prefer my cars in bend in front of the a arms. if they bend behind its much worse in my opinion. the only problem with them bending in the front is it can wipe your motor pullys out fast.
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Post by XtremeMopar#307 on Nov 29, 2011 17:46:37 GMT -5
Running the biggest show in the state next summer with my 78 newport back a few pages, wondering what bumper I should put on it, frame seems welded a arms forward, bumpers seem welded... what I have now is 3 shocker rear bumpers, a 74 newport flat bumper that is preran with a corner bent, and a 70s steel backed ford bumper... may aquire more later but that's what I got now... what is gonna work the best?
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Post by derby111 on Nov 29, 2011 19:10:46 GMT -5
I'd choose a seam welded rear bumper
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Post by fordpowerforever on Nov 29, 2011 19:18:22 GMT -5
i would go rear bumper, trim to desired width, seam weld the shit out of it, if your gonna hardnose it you will have to trim the chrome back but just beat it down and weld it up solid, but if you weld the inner and outer together they are just as strong as the fronts, i just cut all the stock bolts out with a torch real quick then clean it all up, use 1/4" rod to fill the gaps, weld till eyes bleed, then add all the bolts back with bigger washers and then add about 12 or more bolts.
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Post by XtremeMopar#307 on Nov 29, 2011 19:29:21 GMT -5
itll be hardnosed without shocks, im thinking ill use the 74 newport back bumper
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Post by cowdoc on Nov 29, 2011 22:24:07 GMT -5
I've posted this before on bumper threads but these rear bumpers really are the cats azz. 74 rear on a y framer, 2nd in a weld up(Gillette), held up to a lot of hard hitting including the last full arena head-on with a 74 impala that killed both cars lol. Might be the toughest bumper I ever ran. Why wouldn't you have a shock welded along the frame and sub along with the hardnose?
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Post by XtremeMopar#307 on Nov 29, 2011 22:27:45 GMT -5
car didnt come with any shocks.... thanks for the pic tho, i have seen it before
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Post by fordpowerforever on Nov 30, 2011 0:34:46 GMT -5
personally i believe shocks are not good for a shocker, they are already tough enough in front of the arms so leaving the shocks just maekes them tougher in turn makes it blow out even quicker behind the a arms, which is pretty much inevitable unless plate is added but you want to keep it from happening it as long as possible
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Post by fordpowerforever on Nov 30, 2011 0:38:45 GMT -5
here is a shocker monaco with a rear seam welded a arms forward only and bumper welded solid, no shocks. he took second to me in the heat till i broke his axle, the 8 3/4s took a shoot right before the demo and all the other were being used so we had to throw a clipper back under it, this car went three more times. he ended an AMCs night in one shot....dry asphalt tack shot...
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Post by XtremeMopar#307 on Nov 30, 2011 1:27:41 GMT -5
so your saying by not running shocks it basicly takes the stress off of the frame not letting it go up so fast? and also PM sent
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Post by chadcline22 on Nov 30, 2011 16:07:21 GMT -5
personally i believe shocks are not good for a shocker, they are already tough enough in front of the arms so leaving the shocks just maekes them tougher in turn makes it blow out even quicker behind the a arms, which is pretty much inevitable unless plate is added but you want to keep it from happening it as long as possible COMPLETELY DISAGREE. THE BUMPER SHOCKS ARE ABSOLUTELY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PARTS ON A SHOCKER. MOST OF MY SHOCKERS BEND A LITTLE BEHIND THE A-ARMS AND THEN A LITTLE IN FRONT OF THE A-ARMS. MORE EVEN AND MUCH SLOWER TO BEND THAN WITHOUT. RAN NOTHING BUT CHRYSLERS FOR 15 YEARS AND ALWAYS WAS ACCUSED OF LOADING THEM SO I WOULD SAY I KNOW A FEW THINGS AS WELL IMO RUNNING A SHOCKER AT A DERBY WHERE YOU CAN'T FULLY WELD THE FRAME SEAMS IS A MAJOR DISADVANTAGE. THEY ARE JUST WELDED VERY POORLY.
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Post by fordpowerforever on Nov 30, 2011 19:16:17 GMT -5
what kind of tracks do you run?? small or big?? muddy, dry, or cement? personally i believe shocks are not good for a shocker, they are already tough enough in front of the arms so leaving the shocks just maekes them tougher in turn makes it blow out even quicker behind the a arms, which is pretty much inevitable unless plate is added but you want to keep it from happening it as long as possible COMPLETELY DISAGREE. THE BUMPER SHOCKS ARE ABSOLUTELY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PARTS ON A SHOCKER. MOST OF MY SHOCKERS BEND A LITTLE BEHIND THE A-ARMS AND THEN A LITTLE IN FRONT OF THE A-ARMS. MORE EVEN AND MUCH SLOWER TO BEND THAN WITHOUT. RAN NOTHING BUT CHRYSLERS FOR 15 YEARS AND ALWAYS WAS ACCUSED OF LOADING THEM SO I WOULD SAY I KNOW A FEW THINGS AS WELL IMO RUNNING A SHOCKER AT A DERBY WHERE YOU CAN'T FULLY WELD THE FRAME SEAMS IS A MAJOR DISADVANTAGE. THEY ARE JUST WELDED VERY POORLY.
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Post by celzie on Nov 30, 2011 21:12:32 GMT -5
there must be a bigger trick than I know to these things I have ran them non welded with shocks and just ran one that was weled on top and bottom seams with the shocks and a flat bumper on all them, yet I bent them very easy. The welded one I just ran I didnt even make that many hard hits and its bent pretty good behind the a arms. I cant seem to get them to hold up so Im trying to think of something else to use under it besides a shocker frame.
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Post by Impin Aint Easy on Dec 1, 2011 13:38:44 GMT -5
the biggest trick is how you drive them
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