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Post by RockyVI on Jan 28, 2012 21:34:12 GMT -5
These cars were junk in the 1970s and still suck today. Imagine them going again the chryslers or imperial of any years from the 1969 and older back in the 1970s. Junk. Then throw in the older fords. These cars got dominated then and stll get dominated today.
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Post by chevykillerx13 on Jan 29, 2012 5:43:56 GMT -5
I jus have to say wtf you think they ran when demo first started?? These cars guys ran them rite? So anyone can make sonething work its how u build it and u want to spend the money run a chevell f it! Were not here to save cars we crush them! This may be true...but the sport then isn't what it is today...Rules around here don't allow much welding to the frame...especially the rear, so your better off with the 71-76 gm's, and whatever years it is for mopars and fords. Also, when people were running these, they were more than likely running against other cars of the same s**** frame design, because the "good" cars were still being driven. you look at some of the old vintage pictures and see all kinds of cars that you wouldn't run today. Best analogy i can come up with since this sport is taking a NASCAR effect with the engines that people are using now.. would you run a 1964 Chevy stock car against a 2011 chevy stock car? No,why because you'd be a dead fish in a barrel.
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Post by 513monster on Jan 29, 2012 11:43:45 GMT -5
There's alot of bad info on this thread. You can't lump all of the pre 71 cars together. Are they a good rookie car? NO! Are they good stock? NO! Can they be built into a badass car with the correct rules? Some of them! I can't remember the exact makes and models but some of them have killer fronts with a front stub(a arms forward) switch. The rears are good if they can be boxed. It takes the right rules but they can be tanks without loading them. x2 i have seen some mean pre 70 gms that are restubbed across the state line If your rules are lenient, you could take quite a few less desirable cars and make them HARD.
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Post by rampage76 on May 19, 2012 19:51:42 GMT -5
So y r these cars so bad to run, no one has really said y there not such a good car to run?
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Post by WILSON'S INC. on May 20, 2012 0:53:02 GMT -5
most are c-channel front and rear.
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Post by rampage76 on May 20, 2012 19:37:45 GMT -5
i was woundering if any one has ever ran one to know what they do to be such a bad car?
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Post by WILSON'S INC. on May 20, 2012 23:18:36 GMT -5
yes i have full weld 68 buick blew apart in front where it is c channel, humps blew, c-channel ripped off rear frame, even the sheet metal seems to suck. On the second run the whole front clip tore off. Dad also ran a pure stock 70 impala, the 400 screamed, but once again ass gone, and front in pieces. Both one extreme or another with rules both sucked. my friend recently ran a 79 delta 88 about the only one other than late 68-70 caddies with boxed in front frame rails, ran a rear 74 impala bumper, one hit on the tire of another car, frame buckled hard at firewall, it was also full weld car.
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Post by derby111 on May 20, 2012 23:54:54 GMT -5
Got pics of these cars?
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Post by WILSON'S INC. on May 21, 2012 0:13:44 GMT -5
the impala i have old pics but no scanner, here is the 68 buick after second run. after first run blue olds, never ran again after this heat, doesnt show up well in the vid but it is buckled hard at the firewall and lost steering. www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmvI-Q3KipA
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Post by tomtompson on Jul 12, 2012 0:32:49 GMT -5
Derbied a 57 Chevy wagon and a 56 Pontiac wagon. both did well and help there own. the 56 cant truelly count it tho because after winning the heat it was all 64 older Imperials. we did run a 58 Buick, it didnt hold at all. these were all rust free cali cars
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Post by C4 on Jul 21, 2012 22:40:01 GMT -5
Ran the 70 Chevy a couple years back. Started as a project just to show people what happens to them. It tossed the driveshaft 97 seconds in, so I didn't really get to do anything. Threw it in the weeds to rot. Dragged it back up. Putting the goodies back in and making a couple of improvements. It goes to the track Saturday the 28th. For those who don't know, this is a model with a c-channel front frame. This specimen is 95% clean or better.
I will put up before and after pics. Rules are pretty stock. Welding includes a 4 point cage with straight vertical halo, driver's door only, stock sized motor mounts, bumper to bracket, bracket to frame, bumper seams, rust repair to drivers floorboard only, and minimal repairs to damaged frames on pre ran cars.
I have a half decent sbc setup in it, 6 hood bolts...front 2 are through the body mounts, the trunk is tucked, the rear is V notched toward the rear, with a stress slit behind the humps, good fuel cell and battery box, rear wheel wells are trimmed and bolted. Put a nice soft '86 Vic bumper on it with matching shocks. I will be bolting the a-arms down to gain a little front height, because the nose sits so low.
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Post by carcrusher287 on Jul 24, 2012 7:22:01 GMT -5
How about a 70 pontiac lemans 4dr?? Any good? Or trash as well?
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Post by derby111 on Jul 24, 2012 7:32:02 GMT -5
Junk
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Post by C4 on Jul 29, 2012 13:54:24 GMT -5
Pictures will be coming. Ran the 70 Impala last night. As predicted, not a very tough car at all. I did manage to Forrest Gump my way into the feature. Even drove off the track after winning the heat, and drove on for the feature. Got the rear to half-ass cooperate in the way it bent. The c-channel frame out front...definitely very weak. Tie rods very weak. not sure yet what went wrong, because we straightened and reinforced the tie rods between the heat and feature, but I went into the feature without the ability to turn left. I believe bolting the a-arms down was a tremendous help in getting the front to push straight in instead of going down.....rough ride though. The frame also started to push downward right at the firewall.
In the rear, I put v notches toward the back, and stress slits right behind the humps. 3 of those 4 bent correctly. It did start to go down at drivers side stress slit, but not enough to impede mobility.
Like I said, pictures will follow sometime in the near future. Learn from it what you will.
I have a 68 Pontiac Executive that will probably get run next year. It has boxed frame up front with an upward curve. The steering components look heavier as well. Probably won't be great, but I think it will be an improvement over the 70 Impala. If you maximize your rules for a small time county fair show, and don't plan on getting more than one derby out of the car, it CAN serve it's purpose.
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Post by C4 on Jul 31, 2012 0:04:06 GMT -5
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